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Permalink Reply by Moe on May 15, 2012 at 2:27pm

Say more Sam Moore.

Is the value of NG stated what it actually cost you?

How would that compare to the value of gasoline that would have been used?

Are you obtaining the NG from your house line on a local system?

How were your cars and trucks modified?

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Permalink Reply by Finnbear on May 15, 2012 at 2:33pm

I might be interested in a home fueling station in the future. I am in the process of buying the well that heats my house. No longer commercially viable due to excessive pressure in the pipeline but still has plenty of gas for heating (& maybe driving?).

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Permalink Reply by Sam Moore on May 15, 2012 at 4:47pm

Finnbear,

If you where getting royalties off of the well it will be easy to know how many GGE's would be available to put into your car.  Each MCF = a little over 6 gallons of gas equivilant.

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Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on May 15, 2012 at 5:55pm

RE: "I am in the process of buying the well that heats my house."

A brief note of caution concerning well abandonment costs.

Once you own the well, you will be responsible for the ultimate costs of Plugging and Abandonment (P&A).

Not my area of expertise, but I believe that P&A for a shallow well can be of the order of $20,000 -$30,000.

Again not my area of expertise; which State you reside in determines the specifics - in some States there is a requirement that the O & G Operator escrow monies for the ultimate P&A costs; in other States, the O & G Operator may have to post a Bond.

Once you purchase the well, you will become the well operator - and thus subject to the appropriate laws of your respective State.

You may wish to contact the respective State authority such that you have a priori knowledge of the rules to which you will be expected to abide.

It is possible that you may be able to obtain control of the Escrow Account which contains monies set aside for abandonment.

All IMHO as I am no expert in the above matters,

                                                                            JS

 

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Permalink Reply by time will tell on May 15, 2012 at 6:13pm

In Ohio  the well owner is required to carry surety bond of  $15000.00 to guarantee that the plugging cost is covered . I threw my insurance co. pay 150.00 per year that guarantee's this . In the event that one would need to plug a well you would be responsible for the 15000.00 .

The state doesn't put much pressure on the owner unless they try to abandon the well . 

The term then is a orphan well .

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Permalink Reply by familyman on May 16, 2012 at 4:10pm

Hi finnbear,

we offer home n fleet stations for refueling. There are certain caveats that must be addressed before attempting to use a compressor on well gas. Not all components in straight well gas are suitable for such high compression. As an example, hyfrogen sulfide is extremely corrosive, and so slightly different materials are required for the compressor. In addition butane and propane don't compress well, and therefore are hard on compressors. We have available from one of the compressor companies, software to determine suitability, and we can offer that no problem, you would require a gas analysis of course. The cheap systems start around 5000 dollars, i consider them hobby compressors, and ours start at around ten thousand and go up. Hope this has been some help, and you can email me separately at any time.

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Permalink Reply by time will tell on May 16, 2012 at 8:48pm

Familyman , what is your thoughts on powering other equipment on NG like mowers or tractors and maybe atv's ? 

The wells I own are powered by NG pump o matic  honda motors and they are sweet . 

This lets me run my wells without the need of electric and up to 5 times a day . 

The unit is equipped with a programmable timer that lets me choice the times  day or night and the day's of operation .

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Permalink Reply by familyman on May 16, 2012 at 9:20pm

awesome. I have to take an official position that all systems that modify air emissions must be EPA/CARB approved. That said and done, i wish they would relax the rules for certification, as far as testing, and make this alot more affordable. It sounds like a sweet set up.  I have received alot of calls from farmers, and i am trying to find if there are any ways to help them. I am all ears.

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Permalink Reply by time will tell on May 16, 2012 at 9:41pm

What kind of questions are they asking , the farmers that is Family .

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Permalink Reply by time will tell on May 16, 2012 at 9:45pm

I am looking into a NG generator to supply my power needs at the farm . I have a home that I built there for a getta away or  who knows a possible place to live if times get rough due to uncontrollable circumstance . I would like to install a liquid cool generator . Have you had much to do with them Family ?

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Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on May 16, 2012 at 10:16pm

A possible alternative to a NG powered generator would be a NG powered residential Fuel Cell - no noise, no moving parts (and it produces heat for hot water and space heating).

http://mapawatt.com/2010/02/02/residential-natural-gas-fuel-cells/

 

JS

 

 

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Permalink Reply by time will tell on May 17, 2012 at 6:51am

Jack , thanks for the link , it looks interesting . 

I was lost when I saw the mention of All Gore but I guess you have to eat your veggies to get a treat .

I see it might be a issue if one uses untreated gas .

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