Long wall coal mining

What happens when Murray Energies long wall machine eats under land that has a deep gas well on it?

Views: 9923

Replies to This Discussion

Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on April 5, 2012 at 10:59am

Here is a map layer based on the PDF you just posted.  See if it is any better.

Attachments:
Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on April 5, 2012 at 4:30pm

Here is the Permit map layer.

Attachments:
Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on April 5, 2012 at 4:41pm

I adjusted the alignment, see if you think it is better.

Attachments:
Permalink Reply by Cheyenne on April 5, 2012 at 9:04pm

Actually the particular map overlayed onto Google Earth and mentioned above appears to have some errors. Although it is pretty close, it does have some modifications that are not consistant with the map on file at the ODNR Dept of Mines. Perhaps it's another map put out by someone that works with or for the century mine, or it may be that the mine has recently filed with the ODNR for a change to their permit map.

The map which is attached below, is a small portion of the actual permit map which was recently on file with the ODNR. Since the map is a state owned record, the complete mine permit map is available and can be viewed by the public at the ODNR office in Cambridge.

Although a mine owner can frequently file for adjustments to the mine permit map, the issue at hand is do the landowners and the O&G Companies that own or have leased the right to produce the Oil & Gas under these lands really want to set around for several decades waiting on this mine operator to finish mining every last ton of coal under our lands before we can produce what is rightfully ours to produce right now? 

Many of us feel that the actual owners of the oil and gas have the right to produce what is rightfully ours and to do so around our own time line. This is the choice of the owners and not the choice of a third party that has no ownership rights to the oil and gas under our properties. 

 

Attachments:
Permalink Reply by Cheyenne on April 6, 2012 at 7:16am
Bill; Yes, the far west and south sections shown on the permit map could take 25 to 50 years if not longer for the mining to be completed.
Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on April 6, 2012 at 12:40pm

I don't think I can make a map overlay from this image.  It looks like it is a photograph of the map shot at an angle. The grid lines are trapezoids not rectangles.

Permalink Reply by Cheyenne on April 5, 2012 at 9:42pm

Regarding the comments in the newspaper article above:

Investing in attempt to make a profit is a gamble. This fact holds true for all of us. Just a few examples are the stock market, real estate, the lottery or even planting a garden. There is no permanent guarantee that everything will turn out as the investor assumed that it would.   

A couple of other truths are that time changes everything and nothing lives forever. It was King $ Coal for a very long time. It's very possible that one day in the future the oil and gas under Southeastern Ohio and currently so much in demand may not be wanted or needed by future generations. 

 

 

 

Permalink Reply by Cheyenne on April 6, 2012 at 6:53pm
Well said Bill.
It might be in the best interest of the effected landowners to unite on this matter. Perhaps we could file some type of petition or take some other action to prevent Murray from using his friend$ in high places to limit, obstructing or prevent us from producing our oil and gas around our own time line.
Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on April 6, 2012 at 7:06pm

Maybe landowners in this area join together in a class action?

Permalink Reply by Cheyenne on April 6, 2012 at 8:23pm
Maybe join in with the Oil & Gas Companies that leased the acreage here and want to start drilling?
We can probably expect that King Coal will throw lots of $$$ around trying to get their superior agenda approved.
We will most likely need the backing of the O&G Operators to level the playing field.
Permalink Reply by Dan on April 6, 2012 at 9:31pm

I just met someone in WV that's had free gas for over 60 years and the well is being pluged next week before they long wall under their farm.

Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on April 6, 2012 at 9:40pm

This article is from the Monroe County Ohio Beacon August 2007
by Arlean Selvy
Publisher
A gas well which would have provided a lifetime of
free gas to Charles and Beverly Datkuliak was plugged
last week, per an order by Monroe County Common Pleas
Court Judge Julie Selmon.
The order came after a two-day trial in mid-August.
Judge Selmon ruled that American Energy Corp. has the
right to mine the Pittsburgh No. 8 vein of coal
without liability for damages to the surface or to the
Datkuliaks? well. She ordered the well plugged and
capped at Datkuliak?s expense and with no compensation
for the loss.
The well served the Beallsville area family for 18
years.
In addition to the farm of Charles and Beverly, the
well supplied free gas to the home of their daughter,
Elaine Truex and husband Lawrence, and their two
children.
The Truex family was forced to switch to propane last
week.
Charles and Beverly sat in their pavilion a short
distance away and watched as the Alliance Petroleum
crew set up a rig, blew down the gas reserve, dug a
pit, and began the process of plugging and cementing
the family?s gas supply.
The gas reserve is over 2,700 ft. down. The coal seam
is 580 ft. down and five to six feet thick.
To plug the well, cement is poured both above and
below the coal seam.
Overseeing the operation was Joe Hoerst, Ohio
Department of Natural Resources. ?Our purpose is to
oversee the plugging so that all state regulations are
met to insure the protection of miners and the
environment,? said Hoerst. He said the work was
expected to be completed by Friday afternoon, Sept. 7.

Other representatives of the Ohio Department of
Natural Resources were also on site.
Asked by this reporter what the loss of the gas well
means to is father?s farm, Mike Datkuliak said, ?It?s
a big, big loss - a lifetime supply of gas.?
Asked about the monetary cost, he said they thought
$17,000, but added it could be double that amount.
?Whatever it costs - we?ll have to pay,? said Mike.
Pointing across the field to a treeline, Mike noted
the trees mark the area where longwall mining will
end. The distance is 900 feet beyond the well.
Although the case is to be heard by the Appeals
court, it could not be scheduled in time for a
possible saving of the well. Longwall mining by the
coal company was originally to take place under
Charles and Bever-ly?s property in November. However,
during the last week of August the family was told
longwalling will happen Oct. 10.
According to Attorney Dick Yoss, he has been advised
by the Court of Appeals that the case will be set for
oral arguments on Oct. 10.
Located near the Datkuliak?s home is a gas heated
airplane hangar which houses an ultra-light plane,
three antique vehicles, a dune buggy, ATV and memories
of parties held for family and the community.
Walking into the spacious area, where a long row of
white tables were set up, Charles noted this to be his
hangar - which doubles as a party room. ?Here?s our
10-burner gas stove,? he said, pointing in the
direction of the stove, ?We bought it from the
school.? He pointed again to a large gas heater, ?And
this is our gas heater ... it doesn?t work anymore,?
he added. Looking around and remembering events
hosted, Charles said, ?My wife and I celebrated our
50th anniversary here two years ago.?
A glance at Charles told me that the most precious of
possessions in the hangar were memories of family,
friends and community gathering for events. A small
tear, winding its way down his cheek, gave it away.
Showing off another area of the farm, Charles pointed
out that the building housing construction equipment
was purchased from Y&O Coal Co. when it closed.
Ironically, Y&O owned the Allison Mine which is now
American Energy?s Century Mine owned by Bob Murray.

RSS

© 2024   Created by Keith Mauck (Site Publisher).   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service