OHIO - Chpk prepares a Well Pad without a Well Permit ???

Can Chpk (or any O&G Driller) prepare a Well Pad without first pulling a Well Permit from ODNR (in Ohio). Is there anything about Ohio State Law that states: The Driller must first file for and receive their Well Permit BEFORE they can start working on the Well Pad ?

 

 Is there any clause in the O&G Lease that actually requires the Permit to be approved by ODNR before the Driller can begin pad construction?

 

 Could this "trick" be used to hold-by-production any acreage that has an old lease that just requires any type of construction to be performed by the Driller?

 

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Permalink Reply by Finnbear on May 3, 2012 at 1:36pm

Are you asking about a specific well pad or just asking a general question?

Permalink Reply by Utica Shale on May 3, 2012 at 1:49pm

A specific well pad.

I cannot find any info at the ODNR Website - OK, maybe ODNR is way behind on website updates.

And there is no ODNR Permit Paperwork posted on the White Board at the well pad, either.

How can a company do that much work without a posted permit?

Permalink Reply by Finnbear on May 3, 2012 at 1:56pm

I know they do sometimes do pad prep before the permit hits the ODNR website. There is one in Stark county being worked on now that is not on the web yet but I know the permit app is in the hands of ODNR and being approved. There is a bit of lag between permit applications being received by ODNR and permits being issued and posted online.

Where is the pad you are inquiring about?

Permalink Reply by Robin Hood on May 3, 2012 at 2:34pm

The way those leases are written, what's to stop them? They get permits without having clear title to drill. Why not clear a site and then go get the permit?  If they don't get the permit from the state then they call if force majure and hold the land anyways. 

Our lease has nothing that says a permit is required prior to commencing drilling activities.

Of course this is one more method of holding land without paying more bonus money.

As long as they don't put a hole in the ground, the state shouldn't care.

Permalink Reply by Finnbear on May 3, 2012 at 10:50pm

I am the one who took and posted those pictures of the Devon well in Medina county. It does have a well head on it and has for about a month now. They are preparing to frack it. They have a couple miles of water lines laid out to pipe water from the creek to the west across the road and past the well to a pond to the east. They have pumps set up at the pond to pump water from the pond to the well pad. There are 8 new tanks that arrived this week too.

I do not claim my pictures are of the Richman well - THEY ARE OF THE RICHMAN WELL!
I'll drive by tomorrow and photograph the damn permit at the driveway entrance if need be.

My work takes me within a mile of the well pad a couple times a week. When I'm not extremely pressed for time I drive the 3/4 mile up Richman Rd off 224 to see what progress is being made on the well. When something notable happens I post it on gomarcellus and also email the committee members of my landowner group.

You are sadly uninformed if you believe all that is happening in Ohio's Utica shale is being posted on the ODNR weekly reports. If you believe only what shows on the reports then you need to take a Sunday drive and tour a few well sites listed on the reports and compare what you see with what is on the weekly reports. Some of those weekly entries have not changed for months yet the wells are completed. You will see that ODNR does not even begin to scratch the surface of what is really happening out there with what they report. ODNR simply does not have the time or manpower to fully update the weekly list. That list is very very incomplete and only gives a very small glimpse of the acitvity that is ongoing.

Permalink Reply by Utica Shale on May 4, 2012 at 8:31am

Finnbear,

  " ... THEY ARE OF THE RICHMAN WELL! "

 

 You have to have more patience with those members that don't understand how the gov't works.

 

 Tuesday, I had noticed that the ODNR Weekly Utica report was wrong.  They originally reported this week that there were still only 7 Producing Wells.  I sent them the specific list of the 10 Producing Wells. They agreed that 7 was wrong and that 10 was right.  So, they changed the report from 7 to 9 Producing Wells. What the?  So, I contacted them again and reported again, that the number of Producing Wells is 10 (not 7, not 9) and voila today the Weekly Report says "10".   Succcess!

 

 I too am very skeptical of any numbers or status reports that the ODNR publishes since they have fallen way behind reality.

 

 

Permalink Reply by Finnbear on May 4, 2012 at 9:07am

Sorry - that crack about "(or poster claimed it was that well)" kind of got under my skin. 

Anyone who's paid attention to what goes on here on gomarcellusshale.com knows that I deal in facts, I don't post BS,  and I don't make things up.

Permalink Reply by George J Boggs on May 4, 2012 at 9:39am

THANKS Finnbear we like  Straight Talk

Permalink Reply by Finnbear on May 4, 2012 at 11:24pm

Permalink Reply by Utica Shale on May 10, 2012 at 9:26am

Finnbear,

 Did you notice that ODNR updated the Status of the Richman Farms Well Site to "Waiting to frack", thanks to your "intel" !

Permalink Reply by Finnbear on May 10, 2012 at 9:56am

I saw that. Did you also notice that they screwed up the date on the reports this week? They are listed as "Week of 5/6" and were posted Tuesday.  They should be for last week's activity and called "Week of 4/29" if they follow the format they have been using all along. They can't post this week's activity because it hasn't happened yet. The previous reports were listed as week of 4/22 and were posted last Tuesday.

Permalink Reply by Utica Shale on May 10, 2012 at 10:24am

Finnbear,

" ... Did you also notice that they screwed up the date ..."

Yes, it appears that ODNR advanced the "Report Dates" by two weeks instead of one week on both the Weekly and the Cummulative reports.

 

 And they still have Well # 34-029-21707-0100 listed as

 "Eclipse Resources 1 LP" instead of  "Kernich 3-10-2 8H".

 

 The reports are slowly getting "cleaned-up".

 

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