Proposed Legislation for Forced Pooling in WV Gaining Steam - Beware Mineral Owners - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-28T23:55:42Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/proposed-legislation-for-forced-pooling-in-wv-gaining-steam?commentId=2274639%3AComment%3A658407&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThey are one and the same. …tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2015-03-05:2274639:Comment:6655662015-03-05T00:15:42.496ZDan Warnerhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/DanWarner927
<p>They are one and the same. </p>
<p>Forced pooling means that we will be allowed to negotiate terms for our private property,</p>
<p>...as long as we do it their way.</p>
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<p>They are one and the same. </p>
<p>Forced pooling means that we will be allowed to negotiate terms for our private property,</p>
<p>...as long as we do it their way.</p>
<p></p> Most of the opposition I hear…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2015-03-04:2274639:Comment:6654022015-03-04T23:54:28.342Zsallyhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/sally
Most of the opposition I heard was concerning taking away private property rights. Isn't there also a concern that your bargaining power is taken away too?
Most of the opposition I heard was concerning taking away private property rights. Isn't there also a concern that your bargaining power is taken away too? It looks like it passed the H…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2015-03-04:2274639:Comment:6655592015-03-04T23:41:12.615ZDan Warnerhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/DanWarner927
<p>It looks like it passed the House, but it still has to get through the Senate.</p>
<p>Now we will need to let our Senators know how we feel about the bill.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.legis.state.wv.us/Senate1/roster.cfm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.legis.state.wv.us/Senate1/roster.cfm</a></p>
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<p>Given the current political climate, it is likely to pass there, too.</p>
<p>All we can do is go with our conscience. I'm not usually an activist myself, but this issue has…</p>
<p>It looks like it passed the House, but it still has to get through the Senate.</p>
<p>Now we will need to let our Senators know how we feel about the bill.</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.legis.state.wv.us/Senate1/roster.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.legis.state.wv.us/Senate1/roster.cfm</a></p>
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<p>Given the current political climate, it is likely to pass there, too.</p>
<p>All we can do is go with our conscience. I'm not usually an activist myself, but this issue has been forced into my sphere of attention, and I will sleep better knowing that I tried.</p>
<p>Remember, too, that it is more than a pass/fail situation. The bill could be amended further in the Senate, before passing, so we needn't let go of the wheel yet.</p>
<p>This is a case of a tireless industry lobby, returning to the table time and time again, each time shaving off a little from the last request and calling it a 'compromise'. The strategy has been to support legislators who are in favor of forced pooling, while at the same time wearing down the opposition with their claims of good faith. The result is, over time, the opposers end up feeling as if they should be more 'reasonable'. </p>
<p>These representatives don't always have the time to understand an issue thoroughly, so what might sound like compromise to them, in many cases is just a reworking. or a relabelling of the same language. To some extent, they will listen when a constituent points out a potential conflict.</p>
<p>To say we've done our best, we have to summon the same tirelessness as the oil and gas lobby.</p>
<p>Be specific. Don't be long-winded, but relate how the bill will affect you or someone you care about.</p>
<p></p> The House is reading and disc…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2015-03-04:2274639:Comment:6654462015-03-04T19:33:38.795Zsallyhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/sally
<p>The House is reading and discussing this bill HB2688 now. You can listen online.</p>
<p>The House is reading and discussing this bill HB2688 now. You can listen online.</p> My question is: is this the b…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2015-03-04:2274639:Comment:6655352015-03-04T14:32:48.082Zsallyhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/sally
My question is: is this the best that we get and should we sit back and see happens or should we still be calling and urging legislators to vote against it?
My question is: is this the best that we get and should we sit back and see happens or should we still be calling and urging legislators to vote against it? Considering that this bill ex…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2015-03-04:2274639:Comment:6653602015-03-04T13:55:46.085ZDan Warnerhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/DanWarner927
<p>Considering that this bill explicitly disallows forcible surface activity on force-pooled tracts, the opinion of an organization related to surface issues, e.g. farming, should have no horse in the race. </p>
<p>If the bill is enacted, should a farmer's minerals be force-pooled, it will have no effect on his/her farming activities.</p>
<p>On the other hand, what is true, is if the same farmer wants to lease his minerals, the forced pooling legislation will help protect his ability to do just…</p>
<p>Considering that this bill explicitly disallows forcible surface activity on force-pooled tracts, the opinion of an organization related to surface issues, e.g. farming, should have no horse in the race. </p>
<p>If the bill is enacted, should a farmer's minerals be force-pooled, it will have no effect on his/her farming activities.</p>
<p>On the other hand, what is true, is if the same farmer wants to lease his minerals, the forced pooling legislation will help protect his ability to do just that by forcing his neighbors to either lease or have their minerals seized.</p>
<p>In that case, the farmer would have everything to gain from supporting the bill.</p>
<p>As to the deductions, a free market already allows royalty owners to negotiate a deduction free lease, as many. myself included, already have. </p>
<p>The widespread description of this bill as being some sort of a compromise is misleading. It has clearly been fashioned by the industry to ingratiate the public by making owners believe that the industry has graciously and unselfishly given ground. The truth is, they are simply asking to be allowed to steal less from the citizens of WV than they were asking a year ago. </p>
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<p></p> West Virginia Farm Bureau end…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2015-03-04:2274639:Comment:6655302015-03-04T13:21:49.799ZPhilip Brutzhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/PhilipBrutz
<h2 class="trocchi"><strong>West Virginia Farm Bureau endorses forced pooling bill</strong></h2>
<div class="nest-6 mnest-6"><p>Saturday, February 28, 2015 <span class="author">by <a href="http://shalegasreporter.com/author/katie-woods" rel="author">Katie Woods</a></span></p>
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<div class="desk-6"><div class="the-post"><p>West Virginia House Bill 2688, the proposed legislation that would allow forced pooling/unitization of oil and gas interests in…</p>
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<h2 class="trocchi"><strong>West Virginia Farm Bureau endorses forced pooling bill</strong></h2>
<div class="nest-6 mnest-6"><p>Saturday, February 28, 2015 <span class="author">by <a href="http://shalegasreporter.com/author/katie-woods" rel="author">Katie Woods</a></span></p>
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<div class="desk-6"><div class="the-post"><p>West Virginia House Bill 2688, the proposed legislation that would allow forced pooling/unitization of oil and gas interests in horizontal drilling, has been endorsed by West Virginia Farm Bureau, according to <a href="http://www.theintermountain.com/">The Inter-Mountain</a>.</p>
<p>West Virginia Farm Bureau recognizes that even though the bill doesn’t satisfy all of the interests of any group, it provides some gains to those involved. For instance, there won’t be deductions from royalty payments and there won’t be any surface disturbance unless an agreement is made with the surface owner.</p>
<p><strong>Via: <a href="http://www.theintermountain.com/">The Inter-Mountain</a> > <a href="http://www.theintermountain.com/page/content.detail/id/582371/W-Va--Farm--Bureau-endorses-oil-and-gas-bill.html?nav=5008">W. Va. Farm Bureau endorses oil and gas bill</a></strong></p>
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</div> Never mind.
From the NARO-App…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2015-03-04:2274639:Comment:6654192015-03-04T02:28:38.612ZDan Warnerhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/DanWarner927
<p><span>Never mind.</span></p>
<p><span>From the NARO-Appalachia website:</span></p>
<p><em>"As Ron Hayhurst, President WV Royalty Owners Association, pointed out,..."</em></p>
<p><span>Never mind.</span></p>
<p><span>From the NARO-Appalachia website:</span></p>
<p><em>"As Ron Hayhurst, President WV Royalty Owners Association, pointed out,..."</em></p> Todd,
thanks for the heads up…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2015-03-03:2274639:Comment:6652832015-03-03T18:05:55.782ZDan Warnerhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/DanWarner927
<p>Todd,</p>
<p>thanks for the heads up.</p>
<p>I have been unable to establish whether or not Mr. Hayhurst is the president of WVROA, which is a red flag in itself. Most citizens' advocate groups are quoite open as to their leadership.</p>
<p>Can you point me toward your source of this fact?</p>
<p>Todd,</p>
<p>thanks for the heads up.</p>
<p>I have been unable to establish whether or not Mr. Hayhurst is the president of WVROA, which is a red flag in itself. Most citizens' advocate groups are quoite open as to their leadership.</p>
<p>Can you point me toward your source of this fact?</p> "Right now WV has no set back…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2015-03-03:2274639:Comment:6653222015-03-03T17:55:51.262ZDan Warnerhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/DanWarner927
<p><em>"Right now WV has no set back rules for gas wells and its my understanding this will be part of this legislation too."</em></p>
<p>In fact, this bill explicitly denies the Commission the power to regulate spacing.</p>
<p><em>"Right now WV has no set back rules for gas wells and its my understanding this will be part of this legislation too."</em></p>
<p>In fact, this bill explicitly denies the Commission the power to regulate spacing.</p>