I was driving with a friend on route 221 through Greene County on Sunday to go bicycling on the Greene River trail near Rices Landing, and we found ourselves behind a brine water / residual waste truck -- presumably full of frack waste -- between Dunn Station and Ruff Creek.
1. The truck had no license plate! The side of the truck said Curry Supply.
2. The truck often took up most of the road, creating a hazard for oncoming traffic.
3. There was severe road damage on route 221, perhaps from these wide, heavy frack trucks. When I biked this road about two years ago, the edges of this road were not crumbling like this. Damaged roads can cause a) crashes for bicyclists or motorcyclists, b) damage to car tires and suspensions, and c) additional safety problems as cars & trucks swerve to avoid holes in the road.
I'd like to visit Greene County again to go bicycling on its (formerly) nice roads but these safety issues make me think twice. The gas industry should pay for their share of this road damage, since this appears to be so far beyond normal road wear.
Mark coined that phrase, not me. Personally I've lived so many places I'm a neither. AND I don't at all believe intelligence stops at the party line. . . . .
I do believe patriotism is stronger in the country though and I believe the gas company knows that also and are playing to your God and Flag instincts.........
I'm also saying you guys are holding all the cards and IMO could be playing a better hand........
the corporations have created the trade deficit by going off shore with their manufacturing in the first place
Why do you think our budget got so screwed that we are about to lose the dollar as world currency?
Why is housing in the bucket?
Why is it so hard to get a loan from the bank?
What happened to the 800 billion dollars Bush and Obama pumped into the economy without even asking what it was going to be used for?
There are a million why's and they all point to govt, the military/industrial complex and Wall Street. These gas companies are in lock step with the most powerful of the bunch. Do you actually believe they are looking out for your best interests?
Just because I am a stranger doesn't mean I don't care about the screwing some of you guys are getting.
I'm saying let them drill, but make them drill safely through logical oversight. and get back under the clean water act.....
This is a Go Marcellus Shale not a political forum or promotion of anyone''s political beliefs. Your over the edge.
I'm saying let them drill, but make them drill safely through logical oversight.
Jim, I see you are starting to come around, I hope now you see the purpose of this site, it is so people can exchange info and learn from others mistakes. I hope you will stay interested and help the people around you not to get screwed (your term) as this play moves forward. My wife and I where part of the Wyoming Group and thru their hard work we signed a fair lease with good up front money and a nice royalty but in the end this is business and no one will look out for your interest you have to know what is going on around you. Don't for a minute think the goverment can do this for you. If this resource gets sent out of the country becuase we can find a way to use it than who fault is it?
Homer . . . . I don't consider what I said political at all, I am a member of no party save the "watch your butt brigade"
You have taught me a lot . . . . thank you . .. . ..
Mark, I am certain that you know far more than I do when it comes to all this. . . and you seem to be a guy I would listen to carefully if we were to meet and greet.
What got my dander up . . . exemption from the clean water act. . . . and the Chinese inclusion.
It's obvious the gas is going to the highest bidder so my take is that since this is true . . . drop the patriotic mumbo jumbo, see it as business and fight tooth and nail for yourselves. . . . . I say yourselves because I would not sign for any price (but I don't expect ANYBODY to see things my way on that issue) Good luck
No one here is under the guise that gas companies are anything less than any other company. Like any other companies, they are motivated by profit. They are not you best friend, nor should they be. They are a BUSINESS PARTNER and should be (and usually are) treated that way. I'm not going to say that there are and haven't been some unscrupulous people out there doing some underhanded things, but you can't throw the entire industry under the bus because of that. There are a few that go above and beyond, a few that aren't so great, and a whole bunch in the middle, just like anything else. It's also extremely unfair to try to group the entire oil & gas industry in with Wall Street. What a horrible comparison to make. The oil & gas industry is made up of millions of people...average Joe's and Jane's, not like the few thousand "elite" bankers. We create an actual product that is arguable the most vital resource the world has ever seen. Literally and figurative the "lubrication" of society.
I agree with you completely about your concerns about Wall Street and the military industrial complex, but your frustrations with those cannot rationally be transferred onto the oil and gas industry.
Paul . . . I hear what you are saying, but you have no idea how much power can fostered up by a grass roots uprising of pissed off common folks. . . . . you can't only just buck City Hall you can knock it off it's foundation if you choose.
Look at who stopped the Vietnam War . . . and what the Tea Party has already accomplished . . . shine a light on the big boys and they scury for a rock to hide under . . . .
never underestimate the power of the people, that's all I'm saying. . . . and when this thread dries up and blows away so shall I . . . :-)
There are plenty of people who are AGAINST slick water fracking. That's why we're a little touchy. As far as negotiating, there are few BAD deals that are being inked in the Marcellus. That $100 per acre would have been considered a huge number 5 years ago, when the leasing rate was $5 per acre. It's not until landowners find out that someone down the road got more than them that they feel "ripped off". Some areas are better than others. As such, rates fluctuate.
It's true that landowners possess the gas rights, but most don't possess the $40 million dollars or so that it takes to remove it all. Were it not for the gas companies, the technology to extract the gas wouldn't even exist.
If you think that folks receiving millions of dollars in bonus payments, royalty money, excellent employment opportunities, huge new tax revenues, brand new roads, cleaner air to breathe, a transportation fuel that is about a $1.40 per gallon right now, the cheapest fuel in the nation to heat your home and water, etc. is "slamming your backside", I'd hate to hear how you feel about the IRS. There are going to be some annoyances like truck traffic, but that is the cost we must pay to have our cell phones, computers, microwaves, warm water, warm homes, etc. Carnegie/Mellon/Frick make Aubrey McClendon look like Rachel Carson. We're actually arguing over whether or not the temporary cracking of the sides of some township roads is a burden worth bearing to tap the ocean of clean, cheap energy beneath us. It's pure insanity.
and that . . . is the rest of the story . . . :-)
The IRS has always treated me fairly well, but I have an ex business partner who absolutely despises them . . .
you see a lot of this stuff is in the eyes of the beholder and his/her perception.
and personal experience . . . I once commercial fished in the waters of prince William Sound . . . till the Exxon Valdez fiasco. Since I have had a highly tainted view of the oil/gas industry . . . then the gulf thing . . . and all the rest. . . .
If past action is any sign of future action then what is this area going to end up looking like is anybodies guess . . . and yours is as good as mine.
Back in the late sixties, one of the first jobs I got after military service in Asia was with the East Ohio Gas Company. GREAT company, filled with local friend and neighbors etc. . . . . I understand what/who makes up these companies......... gold rises to the top, but then so does scum . . .
With the millions of tankers and wells drilled there have only been a few major situations. We hear more about 50+ car pile-ups then major spills.
What would be nice (yes nice) would be some honesty from both sides with-out all the secrecy. Give the people some advance warning on when and where the drilling will happen. It does not take long to have someone stop and talk to those impacted.
Test the water wells and springs. All we asked was to have an adult at the house there when they tested (they never did the test). Guess our asking for this courtesy was taken as a no to the pre-test.
Don't speed on the roads we have blind-corners and young children.
The above can build trust with those directly impacted. Knowledge of what is happening lessens fear and anger.
absolutely . . . a little bit of respect goes a long way.
Time and money should NOT be a companies highest priority . . . the welfare of the people involved SHOULD be.
I followed that simple rule during my home building days and in thirty plus years practically all my clients became friends. . . .
today it's all about time and money . . .
Forget the money aspect of all this, what would it hurt to DEMAND from the companies these kind of considerations before signing?
Changed my mind, nothing worth posting to here.