Water Recovery:Frac Flowback Water Treatment

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Permalink Reply by Tom Copley on October 21, 2009 at 4:15am

PPC-- Both Range and Rex claim to be recycling 100% of theirs. Are they using your process or someone else's? Thanks for posting the interesting info. --Tom

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Permalink Reply by Gene Water Recycler aka.PPC on October 21, 2009 at 9:21am

Tom,

While attending the IOGA meeting I saw Rex had an exclusive venture with (I believe E&R) but I thought it still required being hauled to that treatment facility. I have had conversations with Range and thought they were considering the recovery.

With the current state of DEP, water withdrawal and associated costs, water and its recovery will be critical and profitable for that well ( as far as savings).

Our process is mobile , on-site and the trucking needs are to haul water to next frac.

I appreciate your comment.

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Permalink Reply by Zachary Brehm on November 2, 2009 at 5:56pm

PPC - Any idea on the cost to haul and treat flowback water? per barrel/gallon/mile? Or an estimate for the amount of money saved by recycling?

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Permalink Reply by Mmmarkkk on October 22, 2009 at 2:10pm

Several other companies are also stating that they are recycling and re-using 100% of the water that flows back.

Also highlighted at DUG this week was that only 15-30% of the water pumped away during a frac job ever gets produced back to surface. Most of it stays in the Marcellus in non-production sections/fractures/etc.

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Permalink Reply by Mary W. Gilstrap on October 22, 2009 at 4:24pm

H2O Resources LLC is a comapny than can process flowback water in a pit for reuse on the next frac job. The process is more that just dilution which many companies are doing. The quality of the water needs to be compatable with the fracturing chemicals used. H2O Resources LLC also has a 20 plus year fracturing expert on staff to coordinate with your fracturing companies. I agree this is a necessary step in controling water hauling costs.

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Permalink Reply by Bob Watson on October 22, 2009 at 5:18pm

ATOKA International, LLC (ATOKA, Inc. USA) also has a proven mobile US patented desulfurization & Oxygenation method and appratus that uses ultrasound. Works extremely well in Sub-Sahara Africa, India and Libya.
Bob Watson
http://www.atokainternational.com
http://www.atokainc.com

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Permalink Reply by Gene Water Recycler aka.PPC on October 28, 2009 at 11:26pm

Bob,

I heard the refineries are using algae in treating the oil in there water makeup. Mid-east/ Africa have similar conditions.

I found this write up in my notes: Wastewater Application
Wastewater is any water that has suffered in quality by human intervention. Often, wastewater is being treated for re-use as drinking water or for other purposes. As high levels of nutrition are available in these waters, algae may grow rapidly as well as other micro-organisms such as bacteria. Algae can compete for nutrients against the bacteria in charge of sludge reduction and can also clog complete systems. LG Sonic uses the newest ultrasound techniques to remove the threat of algae from wastewater treatment plants and reclaimed water reservoirs.

A research project executed by LG Sound (the producers of the LG Sonic systems) to study the effect of ultrasound in the treatment of wastewater was the Chem-Free project. This was a European project (of about €2 million ($2.6 million)), which focused on the development of a chemical-free water treatment system for the treatment of (secondary treated) municipal wastewater. Chem-Free is a Co-operative Research Project (CRAFT) funded within the European Union (EU) 6th Framework Programme Horizontal Research Activities.

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Permalink Reply by Gene Water Recycler aka.PPC on October 22, 2009 at 10:28pm

Thanks for the input, this is an important discussion.
I am not sure of the position of this seminar dealing with Marcellus Water, I am pro-wellsite. I share this for your information,
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Permalink Reply by Gene Water Recycler aka.PPC on October 26, 2009 at 11:54am

I did not mean to stop any more exchange.
I have nothing to do with this program other than I signed up for this as viewer, this is the second. I missed the first due to non iMac compatability, which I now have the fix. I want to know what the academic experts say, just curious.

Please continue to dialogue and ask the questions that will have the industry grow and keep the balance with the resources we encounter.

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Permalink Reply by Dan Arthur on October 27, 2009 at 4:58pm

For what it's worth, I'm very interested in this discussion! We have two separate research projects ongoing dealing with water associated with shale gas development. The first is a water catalog and selection tool project. We are in the process of developing a web site with some web-based tools that can be used to house water treatment technologies and providers for shale gas water treatement - so we are looking for folks like those posting here! Additionally, we are in the process of building a scale affinity model that industry could use for evaluating water and perhaps options for handling scale issues in the pretreatment process.

The second project (both of which are mostly funded by the U.S. Department of Energy's National Energy Technology Laboratory (NETL)), pertains to lifecycle water management issues and includes development of a tool for use in water management planning, compliance tracking, and environmental impact tracking.

Lastly, keep in mind that recovery from the Marcellus is ranging from as low as 5% to perhaps 60% with averages perhaps being what was presented above. At these low levels, the idea of treatment changes from the company perspetive. Further, the reuse of water becomes easier.

Regards,

Dan

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Permalink Reply by Gene Water Recycler aka.PPC on October 28, 2009 at 11:14pm

Dan,

Thank you Dan for the depth of your work and description. Take a look at the posted material I have on my page. I do not wish to violate soliciting but we have done extensive work in Industry, DEP and Mining Companies. Several energy projects; one we were prepared to use recovered coal fines, the sludge from AMD treatment and the Switch Grass and convert some of that gas via an F-T Process and make Diesel (low sulfur- 4 CTAN) fuel.

University of Pittsburgh studied our process and trialed at many locations. We had one problem, we cleaned up the water and put the Watershed Funded Projects out of business, so we had folks happy with slow, passive treatment.

The oilfield situation seems to be where do we keep the water. Producers say, " our fracs are not that soon, so we pay to haul away because we treat it and have no place to keep it". Our process cleans approx 95% +/- 3% on both sides on over 30 items. Fish and wildlife love our process and reclamation bogs excel. Marcellus Frac flowback is reduced 93-97% on all critical lab tested items.

Did you read about the red water and the fraccing fluid spill in Doddridge County, Buckeye Run, we clear that in hours. Ease is not always part of the business decisions, we are still presenting our plans because we allow for each of the quantifiable tools: water management, compliance and positive impact.

Contact us via web site gcitrone@ppc-site.com and we can supply some tech reports.

Thank you again for your contribution,

Best regards,

Gene

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Permalink Reply by david kailbourne on January 8, 2012 at 4:23pm

ok

new to this site and i will try to accept the request when i find it

 

sure sounds great

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