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"YOUNGSTOWN'S EARTHQUAKES"
First of all thank God, no damage and no one was hurt. My cat "Jasper" is fine, I was at the store in Poland shaking with my wife and Jasper was half a mile from the epicenter. Both our historic 1850 store and our 1920 home suffered no apparent damage. This being said, majority of us in Youngstown are cognizant of the injection well and the studies going on resulting in a moratorium on injection wells that have been punched recently in our backyards. Youngstown has seen its industrial industry vanish here and suffered the lowest poverty in the nation today. We do however understand industry and we remember high paying jobs.
There is an old tale here that many steel mill fathers and mothers always told their offsprings, look at the black smoke coming from the stacks, that is the picture of money and jobs. Yes, we knew for every production of man, their is always a counterproduction. And the poor immigrants who built the great steel mills, understood that benefits outweighed the stark poverty they came from. Youngstown once boast the most home ownership in the WORLD, come see what is left of the homesteads, wiped out by entitlements and non production.
Yes, we will shut down the injection wells until we find an answer and can evolve with understanding and safety measures. Of course the experts are here now and American innovation will figure it out. However, with the fact of freezing to death and energy dependence, our only option without PERPETUAL MOTION is to plow ahead. Make no mistake us here in Youngstown will harvest the energy underneath us and we will figure out how to handle the byproduct without dumping it into the Mahoning river, and if we conclude that this one injection well is dangerous we will shut this one down but no other.
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Permalink Reply by Dan on -
You're right dr j, we don't want to overreact, but we do want to react. We can't just chalk up siesmic activity as a side effect. If quakes bigger than 4.0 are possible we need to figure that out at least, because then we could start seeing some real property damage. Even with under 4.0, it makes people uncomfortable and stressed if nothing else, which is reason enough to check it out. What if we can manage the quakes by just limiting the rate at which the disposal occurs? Or just plugging back the well to a shallower depth as they are now trying? Or even abandoning that one and using others along with better monitoring equipment to know what is happening underground? This is not an acceptable side effect to me, and I don't think it going to be that difficult to prevent it anyway once we take the time to investigate the situation objectively.
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Permalink Reply by David Mohn on -
I have a hypothisis as to what the cause of the quake was. Since it was centered in Youngstown, it might be Jimmy Hoffa trying to get out of the ground!
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Permalink Reply by Joan Hayen on -
If we can capture the used fracking juice, why not frack the next well with the same fracking juice instead of trying to return it to nature and then dirty more clean water on the next well??? Just thinking.....
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Permalink Reply by Jim Litwinowicz on
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Joan; already being done at many well sites. This was discussed in detail on this site....look back at other threads to get the details.
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Permalink Reply by Janice L. Hancharick on
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You're absolutely right Joan, and that is being done in many areas. In fact the companies never have to start w/clean water. In some areas unconventional shales are being fracked w/gas components like propane gel, and also a propane/butane mix. Both allow more natural gas and oil to rise to the surface than does water. Higher productivity ='s greater company profits and larger royalties.
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Permalink Reply by Jim Litwinowicz on
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Some are using coal mine acid drainage and returning that cleaner then when it started.
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Permalink Reply by Finnbear on
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See PAGE 37 of this report. It doesn't indicate returning it cleaner but it does mention using acid mine drainage.
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Permalink Reply by craig on -
Could you please list your source on the comment "Both allow more natural gas and oil to rise to the surface than does water." Everything I read tells me just the opposite at this point in time. They are making progress though.
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Permalink Reply by Billy Park Whyde on -
A idea has already been introduced to that idea by using PROPANE as the fracking agent .
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Permalink Reply by craig on
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However the track record of using propane is not good enough to be in commercial use from what I've read. They still need to perfect it...which i hope happens sooner than later.
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Permalink Reply by Mark A Verner on
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Funny David.
Happy New Year!
Mark Verner
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