Appears to be about as active as SWEPI.

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 glad to have this back.  Hope this gets back like it was and things get moving in the gas around here.

Hi Ann and Gary..lets hope

There's not much to discuss. My situation is no different (as far as I know) than it's been for years...leased, but not in a unit.

Also, I still haven't figured out how to use this site. No matter how I sort the discussions ("Newest discussions", "Latest activity") I DON'T get the recent discussions I was looking for, but I get discussions when the most recent reply was 2 years ago, with newer discussions randomly mixed in..screen after screen of them, and.they don't seem to be in any particular order..If I'm looking for something in particular, I have to scroll through years of discussions.  I generally give up without finding it. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I don't have problems like this with any other site, so I don't think it's me.

I'm also totally confused about the shaleforum.com site vs. the gomarcellusshale.com site. All too confusing to me.

Now the darn thing is working.  Anyway, hello all.  How many of you out there got dinged acreage from the state for creek bottoms etc?

What is that all about Brian?

I'll start a new discussion about it in a bit.  Pa state is claiming ownership of mineral rights and thus the associated royalties for stream beds on peoples' land.  We are not just talking major rivers, but even tiny creeks.  This sounds like the workings of a class action suite.

This goes back to

This goes back to 2010, when Chesapeake leased 1,500 acres beneath the Susquehanna waterway bed in Bradford Cty.  The DCNR designates what is "navigable" and issues the leases. 

http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/forestry/NaturalGas/streambedcontracts/...

http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/cs/groups/public/documents/document/dcn...

Interactive Map shows where each are located in each county

http://www.gis.dcnr.state.pa.us/maps/index.html?publicstreams=true

  • Executed Oil & Gas Leases for Publicly-owned Streambeds

Contract numbers in the table are links to documents in the Pennsylvania Treasury E-Contracts Library online.

River Tract No.
Contract no.
Operator name
Waterway
County(s)
Bonus
Acreage
Contract date:
1021
Chesapeake Appalachia LLC
Susquehanna River
Bradford
$6,152,000.00
1538.000
5/3/10
2004
Anadarko E&P Company LP
East Branch Wallis Run
Lycoming
$45,985.00
9.197
2/15/13
2
Anadarko E&P Company LP
Beech Creek
Centre
$298,100.00
59.620
2/19/13
2019
R.E. Gas Development
Connoquenessing Creek
Butler
$552,000.00
138.000
4/13/13
2030
EQT Production Company
Ten Mile Creek
Greene
$10,200.00
2.550
12/2/13
2025
Vantage Energy
Ten Mile Creek
Greene
$321,692.00
80.423
1/31/14
2029
XTO Energy Inc.
Black Lick Creek
Indiana
$74,800.00
18.700
2/25/14
2031
M-2102031-8
XTO Energy Inc.
Connoquenessing Creek
Butler
$56,800.00 14.2 3/12/14
2009
Chevron Appalachia, LLC
Dunkard Creek
Greene
$228,000.00
57.000
3/12/14
2005
Chesapeake Appalachia LLC
Susquehanna River
Bradford & Wyoming
$4,368,000.00
1092.000
3/14/14
2026
M-2102026-08
CNX Gas Company LLC
E. Branch Mahoning Creek
Jefferson
$34,520.00
8.630
8/13/14
2027
CNX Gas Company LLC
Kiskiminetas River
Armstrong & Westmoreland
$175,920.00
43.980
8/13/14
2023
M-2102023-04
Tenmile Creek Oil & Gas LLC
South Fork Tenmile Creek
Greene
$76,800.00
19.200
10/10/14
2024
Energy Corporation of America
South Fork Tenmile Creek
 
$17,200.00
4.300
10/10/14
2010
SWEPI LP Cowanesque River
Tioga
$460,000.00 115.0 1/9/2015
2011
M-2102011-16
SWEPI LP
Crooked Creek
Tioga
$176,000.00 44.0 1/9/2015
2012
M-2102012-16
SWEPI LP
Elkhorn Creek
Tioga
$32,000.00 8.0 1/9/2015
2013
M-2102013-16 SWEPI LP Marsh Creek
Tioga
$248,000.00 62.0 1/9/2015
2014
M-2102014-08 Hilcorp Energy I, L.P. Shenango River/Creek
Lawrence & Mercer
$736,000.00 184.0 1/9/2015
2015
M-2102015-16 SWEPI LP Tioga River
Tioga
$156,000.00 39.0 1/9/2015
2016
SWEPI LP Tionesta Creek
Forest
$56,000.00 14.0 1/9/2015
2018
Inflection Energy (PA) LLC Loyalsock Creek
Lycoming
$695,600.00 173.9 6/22/2015
2028
Travis Peak Resources, LLC Cowanesque River
Tioga
$24,400.00 6.1 1/4/2016
2033
Snyder Brothers, Inc. Allegheny River
Armstrong
$287,200.00 71.8 1/13/201

I just finished a phone conversation with a landowner friend  of mine along Crooked Creek that was very interesting.  He did loose lease rights on the stream bed of Crooked Creek on land that he owns.  This corresponds to the maps which you have so kindly provided.  His real estate taxes acreage has not been adjusted for this loss.  Additionally, he has lost acreage for creek bottom under a very tiny stream - more of a ditch really- that flows into Crooked Creek.  This ditch only has water in it a week or two out of the entire year.  This ditch does not appear on your maps.  his taxable acreage has not been adjusted down for the ditch either.  It seems to me the maps are inaccurate.   It seems to me there likely is a Bunch of people in the same situation as this landowner, and a Bunch of people about to be in the same situation.  Can you people with better research skills discover why the maps do not show all streams concerned?  Can we start a volunteer data base or rouster of people who have lost leasable acreage due to stream beds and how much acreage is involved?   If the numbers are big enough, perhaps a law firm will find pursuing a class action suite worth while.  

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