Tioga SWEPI Stacked Pays

Just as Shell/SWEPI lists 26 prospective target formations on a single well in Western PA, I suspect they are doing similar testing of about that many formations on a well or wells in Tioga County.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Tarr on March 2, 2014 at 3:40pm

David,

Those are Shales (source rock). Shell is also looking at Sandstone, Limestone and Dolomite formations (reservoir rock).

I noticed there are 3 formations I haven't seen listed in PA before.

         Vernon listed below the Salina Group. That is a Black Shale in the Salina in                      Michigan. That could get interesting. Their showing it as 180 feet thick.

         The other two are below Black river Chazy (Loysburg) and Glenwood (Wells Creek)

         Limestone and Dolomite (sandstone???)

I also noticed three formations are missing. These are known oil and gas producers in PA. 

         Between Marcellus and Oriskany are the Onondaga (limestone) and Bois Blanc                  (Sandstone, Chert? and Black shale?) They could be listing Bois Blanc as Oriskany          but they only list Oriskany as 80 feet thick. That still leaves Onondaga limestone out.

         Between Helderberg and Salina is Bass Island (Limestone,Dolomite and                            sandstone?) Guess that could be lumped in with 721 feet of Salina.

Of course we'll never hear about results for years. But at least someone is looking at all this potential.

RRC in last conference call talked about starting Utica/Point pleasant well in 2 qtr in Washington County. Been working on data since 2009 including core samples. Never heard a peep until now. Even referred to it as core "We know We are in the core from a lot of - We have actual Trenton/Black River test with well logs, lot of modern Scientific catalogs right in the area" Than on the Upper Devonian " The Upper Devonian, We got figured out. We drilled enough wells"  Soooo what else is in the works?

Permalink Reply by Jack Young on March 2, 2014 at 4:37pm

I assume you know that the great majority of these formations have nothing of any value in them. Making a list of the names given to various formations when the first wells that penetrated each were drilled isn't really relevant to the discussion. Identifying wells that have actually produced profitable quantities of oil and/or gas from specific formations in Tioga County would be of more interest.

Permalink Reply by Todd on March 3, 2014 at 5:00pm

Geologic Strata Map with Petroleum Production

http://s836.photobucket.com/user/MineralMarketMakers/media/stratama...

Appears to be pretty consistent with Shell's Target Formations.

Permalink Reply by Tim Tarr on March 2, 2014 at 6:14pm
Jack,
That is very true. Now I'll also assume you do know 10 years ago Marcellus had no value. I also forgot this was Tioga and not Lawrence or Beaver board. Those formations are different that far east so I'll shut up.
Permalink Reply by Jack Young on March 3, 2014 at 8:37am

I have to assume that you were unaware that the Marcellus was known to be gas bearing over 100 years ago. It's the source rock for all the nearby Oriskany fields developed during the 1930s and 40s. In addition there were several small Marcellus fields in production, some dating back to the 1880s, and a variety of Marcellus test wells had been drilled over the years including a very productive one in McKean County in 1934. The limited value of the Marcellus you note wasn't based in a lack of knowledge that gas was there, but the inability of the industry to produce it profitably except in a few isolated areas.

The great majority of the other formations noted above have no gas reserves, hence it doesn't matter what the technology is, they won't be profitable to produce because there's nothing there. Just because the local landowners in Tioga County weren't aware of the Marcellus 10 years ago doesn't mean that the industry didn't know it was gas-prone. And similarly, the industry knows that most of the other shales in our area (other than the Geneseo and Utica) are not gas-prone. Hence those other formations are very unlikely to have any value no matter what the technology or price of gas.  

Permalink Reply by Trapper on March 2, 2014 at 12:01pm
If they can produce 26 strata from one pad it will take 100 years to get to the next unit! LOL.....? There's more than 100 years worth of energy by the sound of things.
Pity those who sell their rights. They are putting the screws to their next few generations and creating a whole long line of millionaires out of the buyers.
Permalink Reply by Janice L. Hancharick on March 4, 2014 at 11:35am

While it appears these "gentlemen" are having a contest about who knows more and when they learned it, how about giving Tioga County folks, and Potter, and McKean, and others day-to-day useful info?

Landmen are back on the prowl again across this stretch, probably because of the major Utica well in Tioga( SHELL)  that has an initial yield more than 3 times the state's most productive Marcellus Shale well.  JKLM is the Dutch company striving to make inroads in these counties w/$300 AC lease offers.  Some of this "newbie" company's funding is coming through EAST which sold it's Tioga leases to SHELL.

This is the edge of a plate of spaghetti ...companies so entertwined they may do a great job of keeping the locals thinking their noodles are turning to mush.

Permalink Reply by pg guy on March 4, 2014 at 1:13pm

I sure would like to see some verifiable source for reports of a Utica well with initial production of 3x the best Marcellus well.  What is IP of best Marcellus well, 25-35 million cf per day?  Triple that?  Not saying it's not so, but I would like a link to a reliable source reporting that.

Permalink Reply by Janice L. Hancharick on March 4, 2014 at 2:34pm

This info was made public through a webinar conducted by Penn State's Marcellus Center for Outreach and Research.  Matt Henderson and Dave Yoxtheimer from Extension Office were the speakers.  After that the news was listed on Potter County Today.

I wish EVERYONE heard or read it and would stop signing ridiculous leases.  We've long realized that Utica was going to be our "cash cow".  It's just taken much longer than we'd hoped for!

I do my darnedest to be a reliable source.  Thanks for showing interest.

Permalink Reply by David Perotto on March 4, 2014 at 2:37pm
Permalink Reply by Philip Thackray on March 4, 2014 at 4:59pm

On pages 15 and 17, I think he has his units wrong.  If the list on page 15 is in million cubic feet per day then the Molnar M1 is putting out 24 Billion cubic feet per day.  Not much chance of that.  While page 15 is off by a factor of 1000 curiously some on the numbers on page 17 seem to be off by 1000 and some off by 100.

Page 16 looks right.

Phil

Permalink Reply by Jack Young on March 4, 2014 at 2:44pm

Janet, how about checking the production reports for the last 43 days of 2013 when this "3 times the State's most productive Marcellus well" was actually in production, and telling everyone what that production was. I could do it, but you're the one who made the claim so it might be more appropriate if you had the honors.

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