What's with all the wells popping up in northern Stark county ?

I have seen several wells showing up in stark county in the last couple of months near state route 62 , are they looking for oil? , what does this mean for the rest of Stark county?

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Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on August 28, 2014 at 10:38am

Just struggling on what to believe and not to believe on this site as it's always been.

Mike M. says the Clinton strata is homogenous; you've in the past (and have now said again) not homogenous but traps (pools) exist.

Me and mine stand to gain should action begin to pick up in the north so I'm very interested in what and where in reality does and /or doesn't exist.

I liken reading these pages to an analysis of a pile of horse crap by a sparrow (I the reader being analogous to the sparrow); you know, as we watch it try to separate what it believes to be some useful corn kernels from what it believes to be something un-useful. Sooner or later the sparrow has an epiphany.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on August 28, 2014 at 12:14pm

I'd like a strata specific lease.

What's the downside of it (other than finding a cooperative lessee willing to work with a landowner via a landowner cognizant / landowner friendly lease agreement) ?

Royalty percentage :  Negotiable, and a variable that would have to be discussed and pending other terms within the agreement. For instance, I'd be looking for a non-surface disturbance and no 'product enhancement' charges type of lease and minimally 15%, 5 year term, etc.

Should also mention a decent signing bonus would have to be part of the deal.

Permalink Reply by Rasty on August 28, 2014 at 12:26pm

Good question on the royalty percent.  Enervest is offering me 12-1/2% and "Gross" royalty that is really "Net" when you read it, 5 years, and a signing bonus of $500 for under 10 acres, then $50 per acre for anything over 10 for drilling in the Clinton formation.  I'd be interested in knowing what others have signed up for/or were offered.  Also, is there a landowners group for Clinton wells, like there is for the Utica?

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on August 28, 2014 at 3:40pm

Haven't read or heard about a Clinton Specific lease agreement myself.

Don't know of any nor have I ever read or heard of a Clinton specific landowner Group - ever.  Landowner Groups in my neck of the woods seem to have evaporated up here in the north for some reason - about the time the ODNR G & O Rules changed the ballgame.

So sounds like this for say 50 a. :

Signing Bonus = (10 a. x $500.00) +(40 a. x $50.00) = $7000.00

Surface Disturbance ?

Wellhead Pad /Access Roads ?

Would they pay you for a Pad / Wellhead and how big did they say it might be / how much disturbance ? Would you lose any tillable / crops / timber ?

Option to renew or Auto Renew as free 5 years ?

I'd have a few questions like above if I were in your situation.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on August 28, 2014 at 5:03pm

Although it's been discussed here hypothetically a few times; your Clinton specific lease offer is the 1st I've read about anywhere.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on August 28, 2014 at 11:01am

Dexter - maybe what's being said is that it's homogenous enough to support horizontal bore development economically ?

I've been saying and still say Giddyup.

Permalink Reply by Dexter Green on August 28, 2014 at 1:00pm

You're drilling anti-cline traps.  They are by definition an aberration within the strata.  They are not homogenous.   That being said, an area can hold a number of traps and it is entirely possible to access all of them through a lateral well bore.  Theoretically. 

Permalink Reply by pg guy on August 28, 2014 at 2:45pm

DG -

I respectfully disagree, and maintain that even though there are variations between areas, and within areas, the play is a continuous type reservoir.  It has been developed across hundreds of townships across E Oh and W Pa and W NY without regard to, or any attempt to locate or identify structures, due to its continuous nature. 

Rather, well location has been determined by regulatory constraints (every 40 acres) or surface considerations such as acreage availability or topography. 

See the following fundamental reference that many readers of this forum will enjoy because it treats all of the Appalachian Basin and various o&g plays, some prominent, some obscure.

http://certmapper.cr.usgs.gov/data/noga95/prov67/text/prov67.pdf

Here is an excerpt:

The Clinton/Medina Sandstone Gas plays are defined as parts of a continuous-type gas accumulation. These plays are characterized as continuous-type accumulations because of low-permeability reservoirs, abnormally low formation pressure, coalesced gas fields, gas shows or production in most holes drilled, and general lack of control by anticlinal closure on gas accumulations. Four Clinton/Medina Sandstone Gas plays are recognized according to their estimated potential for undiscovered gas resources. The Clinton/Medina Sandstone Gas High Potential Play (6728), the largest of the plays, is down-dip and along strike of the Clinton/Medina Sandstone Oil and Gas play (6732). It extends across western New York, northwestern Pennsylvania, and eastern Ohio and includes the offshore Lake Erie and Lake Ontario part of these states.

The plays are confirmed, and their prospective reservoirs are classified as unconventional because of the probable continuous nature of the gas accumulations.

Reservoirs: Very fine-to fine-grained sandstone consisting of quartzarenite and local sublitharenite and subarkose constitutes the reservoir in the plays. Compaction and burial diagenesis have greatly reduced the primary intergranular porosity of the reservoir. Silica cement and authigenic clay minerals are the primary pore-filling materials. Locally, calcite, dolomite, anhydrite, and hematite cement may be abundant. Secondary intergranular porosity, caused by the dissolution of rock fragments, feldspar grains, and cement, and fracture porosity, caused by movement between basement-involved fault blocks, are the important porosity types in the play. Porosity for the reservoirs ranges from 3 to 11 percent and average 5 percent. Permeability is as high as 0.2 to 0.6 mD but it generally averages less than 0.01 mD. The thickness of the Clinton sandstone sequence and the Medina Group in the plays ranges from 120 to 210 ft, and sandstone to shale ratios vary from 0.6 to 1. The net reservoir thickness ranges from 2 to 90 ft and averages about 25 ft. Drilling depths to the sandstone reservoirs in eastern Ohio and northwestern Pennsylvania range from 4,000 to 6,300 ft and in southwestern Pennsylvania they may be as much as 10,000 ft. In New York the drilling depths to the Medina Group are between 1,000 and 4,000 ft, whereas in southern Ohio and adjoining eastern Kentucky the drilling depths to the "Clinton" sandstone are between 2,000 and 3,000 ft.

 

Permalink Reply by Dexter Green on August 28, 2014 at 4:08pm

The reservoir is still decidedly different than a shale reservoir.  It's still trap drilling, no matter how frequent the traps occur along laterally within an area.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on August 28, 2014 at 4:52pm

Perhaps it's semantics / subjective - a couple of different ways to describe the same condition ?

One may look at it as a multitude of traps and another may see the entire strata a trap ?

Just now trying to keep peace in the brotherhood here !

Or everyone's x-ray vision may be on the fritz !

lol

J-O

Permalink Reply by Bluejack Farms on August 28, 2014 at 5:59pm
"One may look at it as a multitude of traps and another may see the entire strata a trap ?"


Must be Joe. The location of a Clinton well here in Knox county is usually decided by finding a location that doesn't interfere with farming. Both my wells were drilled where I wanted them not where they wanted them. As a matter of fact they didn't even ask for a specific location. They just like to be near a gas line and put the tank battery near the road. Maybe I was lucky! 2 out of 2 hit a anti cline or whatever you call it.
Permalink Reply by James Vanderink on September 2, 2014 at 10:49am

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