AQUIFER CONTAMINATION WATCH - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-28T21:32:45Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/aquifer-contamination-watch?id=2274639%3ATopic%3A534588&feed=yes&xn_auth=noFolks seem to be reluctant to…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-03-25:2274639:Comment:5610732014-03-25T16:33:44.651Zdaniel cohenhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/danielcohen
<p>Folks seem to be reluctant to band together to have their voices heard by the lawmakers and decision deciders. Whether you are for or against any particular issue, I believe that we are all stronger in voicing our discontent in a pointed, responsible way. With that in mind <span style="font-size: 13px;">I have started a petition demanding an end to lies. You may be for or against fracking, but no one appreciates being lied to or misled.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">If this…</span></p>
<p>Folks seem to be reluctant to band together to have their voices heard by the lawmakers and decision deciders. Whether you are for or against any particular issue, I believe that we are all stronger in voicing our discontent in a pointed, responsible way. With that in mind <span style="font-size: 13px;">I have started a petition demanding an end to lies. You may be for or against fracking, but no one appreciates being lied to or misled.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">If this is similar to how you feel, </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">please take a look to see if you can support the petition.Just click on the URL below. Thank you for the patience and the effort.</span></p>
<p><span><a href="http://www.thepetitionsite.com/422/558/322/demanding-an-end-to-the-tactics-of-deceit/">http://www.thepetitionsite.com/422/558/322/demanding-an-end-to-the-tactics-of-deceit/</a></span></p> There is a big difference be…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-01-23:2274639:Comment:5376662014-01-23T00:27:49.950Zfrank speakerhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/russfenster
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<p>There is a big difference between restoring or replacing a water supply. A person might end up with a truck delivering water in the amount he used prior to contamination of his well,.. forever. As for my lease, the company promises to use their "best efforts". The State of Ohio in their leases require restoration but my lessee refused such a clause. Worse yet, what would happen if a spill extended to unleased properties. Those owners could hold us all liable for damages without…</p>
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<p>There is a big difference between restoring or replacing a water supply. A person might end up with a truck delivering water in the amount he used prior to contamination of his well,.. forever. As for my lease, the company promises to use their "best efforts". The State of Ohio in their leases require restoration but my lessee refused such a clause. Worse yet, what would happen if a spill extended to unleased properties. Those owners could hold us all liable for damages without limit.</p> "What do you think?
Dan"
I t…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-01-22:2274639:Comment:5374012014-01-22T21:54:56.680ZRon D. Jockefellerhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JohnSimkiss
<p>"What do you think?</p>
<p>Dan"</p>
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<p>I think you are a troll, Dan.</p>
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<p>"You are making my point for me." "Or do you disagree." "Or am I mistaken."</p>
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<p>Puh-leeze. Someone ban this clown.</p>
<p>"What do you think?</p>
<p>Dan"</p>
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<p>I think you are a troll, Dan.</p>
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<p>"You are making my point for me." "Or do you disagree." "Or am I mistaken."</p>
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<p>Puh-leeze. Someone ban this clown.</p> PA Code 78.51. Protection of…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-01-22:2274639:Comment:5372972014-01-22T16:26:14.738ZRoger Leighthttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/RogerLeight
<p>PA Code 78.51. Protection of Water Supplies </p>
<p>A well operator who affects a public or private water supply by pollution or diminution shall restore or replace the affected supply with an alternate source of water adequate in quantity and quality for the purposes served by the supply as determined by the department</p>
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<p>A landowner, water purveyor or affected person suffering pollution or diminution of a water supply as a result of drilling, altering or operating an oil or…</p>
<p>PA Code 78.51. Protection of Water Supplies </p>
<p>A well operator who affects a public or private water supply by pollution or diminution shall restore or replace the affected supply with an alternate source of water adequate in quantity and quality for the purposes served by the supply as determined by the department</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>A landowner, water purveyor or affected person suffering pollution or diminution of a water supply as a result of drilling, altering or operating an oil or gas well may so notify the Department and request that an investigation be conducted. the notice and request must include the following:</p>
<p>1) The name, address and telephone number of the person requesting the investigation</p>
<p>2) The type, location and use of the water supply</p>
<p>3) Available background quality and quantity data regarding the water supply, if known</p>
<p>4) Well depth, pump setting and water level, if known</p>
<p>5) A description of the pollution or diminution</p>
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<p>There is a lot more to this code requiring the company at their cost to restore or replace the water supply. This information is available online</p>
<p>This is a Pennsylvania statute.</p>
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<p>As for Ohio state law, I do not know that specifically but before I would jump to a conclusion I would contact ODNR</p> If that's so, I would think t…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-01-22:2274639:Comment:5371102014-01-22T16:22:49.388ZJoseph-Ohiohttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JosephEPowell
<p>If that's so, I would think then that the lease agreement would (if provisions / clauses exist within it).</p>
<p>But, then if they (in spite of the lease) refuse to clean it all up (somehow ?) the landowner might have to take it all to a court - ($ $ + time) ?</p>
<p>Bad deal - lots of risk - deficient laws then in Ohio too.</p>
<p>That needs to change / be addressed if you ask me.</p>
<p>Not at all O & G friendly - probably a struggle brewing.</p>
<p>If that's so, I would think then that the lease agreement would (if provisions / clauses exist within it).</p>
<p>But, then if they (in spite of the lease) refuse to clean it all up (somehow ?) the landowner might have to take it all to a court - ($ $ + time) ?</p>
<p>Bad deal - lots of risk - deficient laws then in Ohio too.</p>
<p>That needs to change / be addressed if you ask me.</p>
<p>Not at all O & G friendly - probably a struggle brewing.</p> Under Ohio state law as I und…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-01-22:2274639:Comment:5374402014-01-22T16:08:03.109Zfrank speakerhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/russfenster
<p>Under Ohio state law as I understand it, oil companies need not pay to restore your water supply if they contaminate it but only need compensate for the difference in the value of the land before and after the contamination.</p>
<p>Under Ohio state law as I understand it, oil companies need not pay to restore your water supply if they contaminate it but only need compensate for the difference in the value of the land before and after the contamination.</p> Dan,
I work in the industry…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-01-22:2274639:Comment:5374322014-01-22T14:07:21.777ZRoger Leighthttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/RogerLeight
<p>Dan,</p>
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<p>I work in the industry as a landman. I can tell you first hand that there are different levels of communication to contact if there is an issue. First contact the company directly if you encounter issues while drilling is taking place or after operations are complete but the second water test has not yet taken place. The companies that I worked for have been very proactive & there will be someone at your door within 24 hours or less in most cases. The second line is…</p>
<p>Dan,</p>
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<p>I work in the industry as a landman. I can tell you first hand that there are different levels of communication to contact if there is an issue. First contact the company directly if you encounter issues while drilling is taking place or after operations are complete but the second water test has not yet taken place. The companies that I worked for have been very proactive & there will be someone at your door within 24 hours or less in most cases. The second line is to call the PA Department of Environmental Resources & make them aware of the issue. They in turn will contact the gas company & will also investigate themselves. I was born & raised in Pennsylvania & I live in a gas & oil region as do many gas company employees. None of us want to see an issue as it ultimately affects all of us. That said I also have seen people not affected by drilling but claiming to have issues with water. Most of them fall into the categories of having bad water before drilling or are anti gas to start with. I know people that can light their faucets & there are no wells in the area. Testing has shown many cases that to be shallow gas that migrates with the water table or the water well is close to a shallow gas pocket & migrates from there. Yes there has been a few documented wellhead or casing issues, that said do not be afraid to call DEP if necessary. </p> Roger,
Thanks for the reply.…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-01-22:2274639:Comment:5374312014-01-22T13:40:04.794Zdaniel cohenhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/danielcohen
<p>Roger,</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply. I am reminded of the advice given in the following article found elsewhere in this many paged blog on Aquifer Contamination Watch:</p>
<p><b><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=0017MELFtkTOrW4DSAZE_Z1nKZfEa0TodFHaxp-xYwnGXUTlj3eD80DCaLsDRmE6FKQ7JOlrGcE-q1PRXPMvAYH-ZDZ41QoXs3iBQz09yF-_sFNWfGq19Ai5cmh4CdjcLr_PXv09A0CusCFHDtZ2TXzkH5JZh1q08LnfATfjCZN5EG6D50Y9eny4A==" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><br></br> 14. The Fractivists Choice…</a></b></p>
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<p>Roger,</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply. I am reminded of the advice given in the following article found elsewhere in this many paged blog on Aquifer Contamination Watch:</p>
<p><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=0017MELFtkTOrW4DSAZE_Z1nKZfEa0TodFHaxp-xYwnGXUTlj3eD80DCaLsDRmE6FKQ7JOlrGcE-q1PRXPMvAYH-ZDZ41QoXs3iBQz09yF-_sFNWfGq19Ai5cmh4CdjcLr_PXv09A0CusCFHDtZ2TXzkH5JZh1q08LnfATfjCZN5EG6D50Y9eny4A==" target="_blank"><br/> 14. The Fractivists Choice</a></b></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">“Properly </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">designed drilling, fracking, and completion</span></p>
<p>regulations, coupled with effective monitoring, <span style="font-size: 13px;">can ensure that shale gas production has </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">small or zero detrimental effect on the </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">environment.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">The solution lies in regulating shale at least as </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">stringently as conventional oil and gas. If </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">ground water contamination occurs, fine the </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">perpetrator enough to make it highly </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">unprofitable. Monitoring can be done both </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">through government and community </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">inspections; the threat of stiff fines will drive all </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">operations to use industry best practice.”</span></p>
<p>Apparently ODNR already has this more or less in place. Sadly we in Penn. do not. Clearly if you & I, as alert landowners, can't put our fingers on the outreaching of the DEP and EPA then either we are not doing our job to hold our legislators feet to the fire, or the DEP/EPA aren't doing theirs. Most likely it is some combination of both.</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">My personal attempts at contacting/engaging legislators have not resulted in any movement on their part. Apparently you have found that not to be the case for you, and that is heartening. Perhaps we can agree that we are not yet where we need to be as far as protections are concerned. If so, a movement to publicize the shortcomings on both our parts might be in order.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">What do you think?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">Dan</span></p> You will have to contact the…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-01-22:2274639:Comment:5372722014-01-22T04:54:14.175ZRoger Leighthttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/RogerLeight
<p>You will have to contact the PA DEP for that answer. My contact with DEP was because of company water testing results & landowners noticing a difference with their water quality. Both DEP & the company worked together to monitor & resolve the issues. Note, none of the issues that I worked with were due to fracking (gas migration) and the issues were resolved. Exactly what caused the issues I was not informed of but I was told that there no longer was an issue in that area as…</p>
<p>You will have to contact the PA DEP for that answer. My contact with DEP was because of company water testing results & landowners noticing a difference with their water quality. Both DEP & the company worked together to monitor & resolve the issues. Note, none of the issues that I worked with were due to fracking (gas migration) and the issues were resolved. Exactly what caused the issues I was not informed of but I was told that there no longer was an issue in that area as test results of water samples had returned to normal.</p> Roger,
I'm really pleased to…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-01-22:2274639:Comment:5372712014-01-22T04:28:30.431Zdaniel cohenhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/danielcohen
<p>Roger,</p>
<p>I'm really pleased to hear that. Would you say that there is an active monitoring service that is in place as well? As a landowner I'd be happy to know how to get in touch with that service. ODNR has a 24/7 monitoring operation in place as I understand, and will actively seek to hold companies responsible for their actions/non-actions. Do we in Penn. also have that?</p>
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<p>Dan</p>
<p>Roger,</p>
<p>I'm really pleased to hear that. Would you say that there is an active monitoring service that is in place as well? As a landowner I'd be happy to know how to get in touch with that service. ODNR has a 24/7 monitoring operation in place as I understand, and will actively seek to hold companies responsible for their actions/non-actions. Do we in Penn. also have that?</p>
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<p>Dan</p>