Arguments against anti-fracking activists - Water use - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-28T20:05:05Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/arguments-against-anti-fracking-activists-water-use?feed=yes&xn_auth=noHave YOU completely read this…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-04-04:2274639:Comment:4269252013-04-04T03:35:34.061Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>Have YOU completely read this document?...WELL written. There ARE things that I find 'intriguing' & do 'question'. </p>
<p>*CEMENT buffer for well casing...Now, cement - WHAT do you really know about CEMENT? From what I recall - if memory serves correctly...is that it is TTHICK (thicker than a 'milkshake'...) and then there's the 'thin' area that the cement is 'poured into' & needs to cure. The thing that bothers me is HOW does it 'dry/cure'? The next is IF it is 'poured' in…</p>
<p>Have YOU completely read this document?...WELL written. There ARE things that I find 'intriguing' & do 'question'. </p>
<p>*CEMENT buffer for well casing...Now, cement - WHAT do you really know about CEMENT? From what I recall - if memory serves correctly...is that it is TTHICK (thicker than a 'milkshake'...) and then there's the 'thin' area that the cement is 'poured into' & needs to cure. The thing that bothers me is HOW does it 'dry/cure'? The next is IF it is 'poured' in phases...there are 'fractures/fault lines automatically created by one area 'drying'(?) until the next batch is poured. </p>
<p>----Think 'clay'...with clay - when you ADD to a 'structure' - one must 'crosshatch' & THEN 'fit together' - WITHOUT having any 'air pockets' (which cause your pot to 'blow up' in the kiln - or IF it does bisque, it THEN has a 'weak spot'...it just DOESN'T make sense to me - but who am I?</p>
<p>WHAT kind of 'cement' IS this? - there is 'brine' AND salt water...it is not good to have 'salt' mix with fairly fresh cement...I really think that there are MORE 'fracture lines' - ALSO due TO 'drying/shrinkage OF the cement(?)...interesting. </p>
<p>ALL 'bodies' that have a 'water mix' - be they 'clay/porcelain', cement, etc. - when they 'dry' SHRINK....but you knew that, I'm sure....</p>
<p>They were other things I found interesting...but as I've said - ALL information is GOOD information. Thanks for posting that, Joe C. ***DOESN'T 'combat' 'anti arguements' by any means - perhaps BACKS UP THEIR THOUGHTS...if they can 'swim through' the entire writing. WHY is 'everyone' supposedly 'FOR's' -or 'ANTI's'???</p>
<p>There ARE many matters to consider that ARE beneficial as 'well' as potentially HARMING in ways as yet unforeseen...did you 'pick up on' the DATES of the years posted...? Pretty 'old' - nOW could be said 'behind the times'! YES - especially as the FRAC'ing has escalated by leaps & bounds - ONLY IN THE LAST X10 YEARS!!!</p>
<p>WHAT CAN YOU SAY TO THAT? - REALLY???! It's like a 'run-away freight train', it is...TIME will tell.</p>
<p>Asbestos was once 'good' - fire retardant, good insulator - heck, it was 'given 'OK' status - by the very government...that has NOW 'condemned it'. WHY?...well, what has changed, what has stayed the same?...Think about THAT...same with DDT....once good - now 'bad'...and 'NG'? good...</p>
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<p>OH - there was a 'short mention' of something I had considered...AIR PRESSURE as a 'FRAC' blow out for pressure...but complicated. THERE's TONS in this to absorb. Will mull through it again - on my day off...thanx.</p>
<p>As the 'trolling beast' says: 'PROB-LEM?' in a snide way...time. TIME.</p>
<p>As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness. ***They CAN'T 'test' or 'see' the CEMENT poured around the well casings...SO, how do they 'know? WAIT until the 'metal' rusts away...THEN they'll be able to 'pick up' on 'seepage' of chemicals...LOL(?) -lots of luck?...laugh out loud WHILE you can....HMMM...</p>
<p>Again, thanks for the article (LONG!, but good...WELL worth the read - time!).</p> ^This is your Brain on Drugs.…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-03-28:2274639:Comment:4241882013-03-28T13:07:27.374ZWendyhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/Wendy180
<p>^This is your Brain on Drugs......</p>
<p>^This is your Brain on Drugs......</p> Thanks, bud (jb379)...Jim-Tom…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-03-28:2274639:Comment:4243672013-03-28T05:04:49.632Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>Thanks, bud (jb379)...Jim-Tom...almost as good as 'jungle bunny' - 'jb'379.</p>
<p>Gold is good - that's what she said. Hated to leave you be bored! *READ 'Ben's Nugget' - Horatio Alger, Jr. again...seems a bit like the 'G&O rumblings'...</p>
<p>How's the Frack, Jack? Borin' down the hole - with a twist....</p>
<p>As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness. (HINT: say this 3x in the morning when you get up & someday...and another x3 before you…</p>
<p>Thanks, bud (jb379)...Jim-Tom...almost as good as 'jungle bunny' - 'jb'379.</p>
<p>Gold is good - that's what she said. Hated to leave you be bored! *READ 'Ben's Nugget' - Horatio Alger, Jr. again...seems a bit like the 'G&O rumblings'...</p>
<p>How's the Frack, Jack? Borin' down the hole - with a twist....</p>
<p>As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness. (HINT: say this 3x in the morning when you get up & someday...and another x3 before you sleep...and SOMEDAY - you MAY be a REAL man!)...nothing is ever the same after I 'walk there'. God be with you - Good Easter.</p> Go on with you all now. YOU,…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-03-28:2274639:Comment:4242572013-03-28T04:27:53.772Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>Go on with you all now. YOU, WE all KNOW that when 'push comes to shove' the 'JIG' is up. Giime' that, gimme' that...gimme', gimme', gimme' that.</p>
<p>SOMETIMES the best thing to do it be patient & KNOW how/what is taking place. Crawl before you walk...then skip & run & dance....</p>
<p>OK - 'water is made'...yeah, right. Question: how MUCH water? HOW MUCH USEABLE WAR...I mean WATER?</p>
<p>OK - here's a GREAT new 'industry idea'...get together with PEP (Pepsi) & KO (Coke)…</p>
<p>Go on with you all now. YOU, WE all KNOW that when 'push comes to shove' the 'JIG' is up. Giime' that, gimme' that...gimme', gimme', gimme' that.</p>
<p>SOMETIMES the best thing to do it be patient & KNOW how/what is taking place. Crawl before you walk...then skip & run & dance....</p>
<p>OK - 'water is made'...yeah, right. Question: how MUCH water? HOW MUCH USEABLE WAR...I mean WATER?</p>
<p>OK - here's a GREAT new 'industry idea'...get together with PEP (Pepsi) & KO (Coke) to see if THEY want to MARKET this 'wonderful water'. Believe you/me...IF there is a 'nickel' to be turned - they will!</p>
<p>GO AHEAD - approach the big 'DRINK MARKET GUYS' & ask/see IF they'd be willing to SHARE in your 'claim' (or...would they find it 'LAME'?!). Common' champ - let's see what you got. IF you've got a 'GOOD GIMMICK'..ROLL with it. If it 'flops' - then STOP!</p>
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<p>THAT would be a REALLY TEST! IF you're 'water production theory passes' then THAT will be 'known', and of not...THAT will be known too. ***I hear-by declare that we should put an END to all this silliness & 'arguing' once & for all by letting the REAL MARKETERS of H2O put it to THEIR TEST - the American BUYING MARKET. Hey, bring in COORS, BUDWEISER, +...how about KRAFT, NABISCO...they could use it in the process of baby food!!! How about it! A TEST!!! The *BEST POSSIBLE TEST* one could use - the AmeriCAN Guinea-pig!!! (of which YOU are one, too!)</p>
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<p>***Hey, LEA HARPER, founder of the Southeast Ohio Alliance to Save Our Water***...here is the 'TORCH' - contact Pepsi, Coke, Coors, Budwieser, Nabisco, Kraft + and find out what THEY think? After all - EVERYONE is after a good, better, best way to utilize 'material' to PROFIT FROM!!! IF it 'pans out' could be a good 'side line' market for the G&O Co.'s!!! GOOD IDEA - like it.*Everyone likes money! IF they can PROFIT - they WILL come!</p>
<p>As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness. WATER - absolutely NOTHING like it! Ahhh!!! Give 'em koolaid to 'flush' down their 'frack drains'...or better yet - have the people touting all this 'water byproduct' when Methane is burned mix up a pitcher of KOOLAID & swig it down (or give it to their kids or grandkids - THEY'LL LOVE IT!...good for 'em, too! - EVERYONE loves KOOLAID!</p>
<p>Koolaid, Koolaid - tastes GREAT! Koolaid, Koolaid - can't wait! GREAT IDEA, Keith!</p> AMEN?...oh, yes - amen (of co…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-03-28:2274639:Comment:4243612013-03-28T04:00:07.484Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>AMEN?...oh, yes - amen (of course...). You are right AND you are wrong. BOTH. </p>
<p>HERE is where 'time' has the 'upper hand' (for it has NOTHING to do with ANY of these 'words, intentions, or purposes (good & bad...)...the GAME will be so determined by the OUTCOME...</p>
<p>...and the 'OUTCOME' MAY be MANY YEARS hence....</p>
<p>...I again mention *asbestos*...*WHY was it approved to use in SCHOOLS +? - ANSWER THAT. Today, what (technologies?) were ONCE deemed the 'best, cutting edge'…</p>
<p>AMEN?...oh, yes - amen (of course...). You are right AND you are wrong. BOTH. </p>
<p>HERE is where 'time' has the 'upper hand' (for it has NOTHING to do with ANY of these 'words, intentions, or purposes (good & bad...)...the GAME will be so determined by the OUTCOME...</p>
<p>...and the 'OUTCOME' MAY be MANY YEARS hence....</p>
<p>...I again mention *asbestos*...*WHY was it approved to use in SCHOOLS +? - ANSWER THAT. Today, what (technologies?) were ONCE deemed the 'best, cutting edge' available are NOW condemned. TIME DID 'tell'....</p>
<p>DDT - once widespread use, THEN found to harm...good old TIME sees MANY faults of man....</p>
<p>NO 'environmentalist' here - only a ***PRAGMATIST*** (MANY 'PRAGMATISTS'!) who have experienced many FLAWS in 'logical thought(?)' of one 'TIME' or another....</p>
<p>LOGICAL PRAGMATISM. ***ENVIRONMENTAL PRAGMATISM***</p>
<p>Here is an 'off the cuff' question...how many of you have 'friends of a different preference choice' concerning the SAME 'sex'?...to my father once was made a statement: "You are just a 'homophobe'." - to which he QUICKLY turned the tables & ejaculated back in response, "I am NOT a 'homophobe' - THEY are 'HETEROPHOBES'. Do you see the position that was attempted to be THRUST upon his mind?...it was not HE who was 'afraid', BUT there was an undignified ATTEMPT to 'call him on the carpet' & put HIM 'on the defensive'...NOT! Good Man, my father. HE quickly called things correctly. He NEVER said in ANY WAY that 'they' were making a 'wrong lifestyle choice' - BUT THAT was what was was BEING DONE TO HIM! WRONG!</p>
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<p>IF you are going to use the things that are being used (frack chemicals) and you really DON'T KNOW what WiLL be the outcome down the road...then it just shouldn't be done. PERIOD. Everyone has done experiments with water & food coloring as kids (*you probably have colored your shared of EASTER EGGS - right?). Just ONE DROP of coloring affects the purity of the water - just ONE. WHAT do you say to that?...and the Co,'s are mixing WHAT with the water?...I'll be. Case closed.</p>
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<p>The same ANALOGY 'stands firm' here...WHO WANTS WHAT?...THAT is what things REALLY come down to.</p>
<p>1) IS getting the source of profit good for the country in a myriad of ways? YES. (follow the money, he who has the gold makes the rules, cash is king, on & on & on...no one argues with what the TOOL of $$$-MOOLA can DO for ANY individual...money is good. resources are good. technology is good. innovation is good. enough said....</p>
<p>2) 'ENVIRONMENTALISTS' are just people (like the G&O employees...YES - that's ALL they are - EMPLOYEES! PAID SERVANTS OF LABOR & INDUSTRY...sorry, guys). These 'people'/individuals are PRAGMATISTS who can SEE what potential dangers we are entering into with doing what is being done.</p>
<p>------------------------------------------------------------------------------those who have eyes to see...let them see.... SEE? </p>
<p>HERE are x2 examples that serve as example:</p>
<p>1) ***Valvoline 'Complete Motor Oil Guide' flyer, p.18 - 'Disposing of your Used Motor Oil': "Take your used motor oil in a clean container to an oil collection facility. Used motor oil is a valuable resource and should not be discarded. Improperly disposed motor oil can contaminate DRINKING WATER and POISON WILDLIFE.In FACT, the used motor oil generated from one oil change can contaminate more than one million gallons of water!</p>
<p>Be careful when handling used oil. Conyinuous contact with used motor oil has caused CANCER in laboratory animal testing. Avoid prolonged skin contact with used motor oil. Wash skin thoroughly with soap and water." ***HMMM...what gets said to THAT?!***</p>
<p>2)...had a guy today who IS 'in the industry who basically said that, "Well, we're learning more every day on how to do things better." WHAT? I asked myself in my mind - THAT said to me that there is MUCH in 'experimental stage' concerning HOW these 'frack wells' are being PRESENTLY HANDLED/MANAGED!!! -- that 'THEY' really DON'T HAVE A CLUE on WHAT exactly there are doing. SURE 'they' know how to RUN the equipment, computers, & frack +...BUT that they really DON'T in a way have a clue WHAT is going on.</p>
<p>***EVERYBODY is all 'happy, happy - joy, joy'...we're all going to be rich (but for HOW LONG?...). NO ONE will 'benefit' like they are assuming (at this point in time...), and you should know what it means to 'ASSUME' (it makes a donkey's patooty out of YOU & ME!).</p>
<p>SO - what cha' gonna do when the $ from the check you receive ONLY gets you one good set of groceries & a couple 'fill-up' tanks of GAS?...</p>
<p>...if you're gonna' PLAY, you're gonna' PAY! TOUCHE'.</p>
<p>As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness. WATER - mmm. Ever been SO thirsty that the ONLY thing that quenches is a CLEAN glass of water? REMEMBER THAT. *TIME*</p>
<p></p> I'm with you on bringing on t…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-03-27:2274639:Comment:4240192013-03-27T17:28:18.359ZDanhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/Dang
<p>I'm with you on bringing on the warm. This past week the Globe warmer fans claimed that climate change is causing the cold air to drop on us from the pole. Just after they reversed their quoted predicted earth temps over the next 30 years because of bad data. The grape vine say's Matt Demon is already working on a movie, "The Morning After the Day Before Yesterday"</p>
<p>I'm with you on bringing on the warm. This past week the Globe warmer fans claimed that climate change is causing the cold air to drop on us from the pole. Just after they reversed their quoted predicted earth temps over the next 30 years because of bad data. The grape vine say's Matt Demon is already working on a movie, "The Morning After the Day Before Yesterday"</p> Global warmer fans all I have…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-03-27:2274639:Comment:4238782013-03-27T17:07:14.236ZBilly Park Whydehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/BillyParkWhyde
<p>Global warmer fans all I have to say is BRING IT ON! It's Spring and snowing, bring on the Global Warming Now!</p>
<p>Global warmer fans all I have to say is BRING IT ON! It's Spring and snowing, bring on the Global Warming Now!</p> I would suggest that imbibing…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-03-27:2274639:Comment:4236962013-03-27T14:47:23.950ZWendyhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/Wendy180
<p>I would suggest that imbibing and posting isn't a good mixture. </p>
<p>I would suggest that imbibing and posting isn't a good mixture. </p> Jack et all,
Again more truth…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-03-27:2274639:Comment:4236842013-03-27T12:52:23.018ZKeith A Williamshttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/KeithAWilliams
<p>Jack et all,</p>
<p>Again more truths that the anti's are trying to ignore.</p>
<p>I will add to yours. As the temp starts to rise the atmosphere can hold more water. That will lead to more clouds! The increase in cloud cover will reflect more light back into space. This will have a natural dampening effect on the rise in temperatures. The earth will continue! We are not creating a dooms day event!</p>
<p>As Jack said, the earth has had times when the CO2 level was MUCH higher than it is…</p>
<p>Jack et all,</p>
<p>Again more truths that the anti's are trying to ignore.</p>
<p>I will add to yours. As the temp starts to rise the atmosphere can hold more water. That will lead to more clouds! The increase in cloud cover will reflect more light back into space. This will have a natural dampening effect on the rise in temperatures. The earth will continue! We are not creating a dooms day event!</p>
<p>As Jack said, the earth has had times when the CO2 level was MUCH higher than it is now.</p>
<p>I find it funny that if we take the average weather, for the area that we inhabit, back over a slightly longer period of time we would find that the average temps would NOT be to our liking. We have had Ice age after Ice age here in North America. As of 1970 the forecasters were saying that we were on our way to another Ice age. By slightly warming the earth, we may well have stopped the next ice age (or maybe we just slowed it down?).</p>
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<p>Enough for now!</p>
<p>See I can spin this thing too!!!</p>
<p>Keith</p> Oooooh, now all of these enco…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-03-27:2274639:Comment:4236812013-03-27T12:35:19.388Zjb379https://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/jb379
<p>Oooooh, now all of these encoded ramblings make sense...GG is Michael Scott. Thanks for the "that's what she said" reference! What have you been up to since leaving Dunder Mifflin?</p>
<p>P.S.- Loved the golden ticket idea and survivorman taping...hasn't been the same since you left.</p>
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<p>Jim-Tom</p>
<p>Oooooh, now all of these encoded ramblings make sense...GG is Michael Scott. Thanks for the "that's what she said" reference! What have you been up to since leaving Dunder Mifflin?</p>
<p>P.S.- Loved the golden ticket idea and survivorman taping...hasn't been the same since you left.</p>
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<p>Jim-Tom</p>