Asking for help regarding signing pipeline easement - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-29T06:05:57Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/asking-for-help-regarding-signing-pipeline-easement?commentId=2274639%3AComment%3A775744&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt's a temporary water line a…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-07:2274639:Comment:7757892018-04-07T21:09:30.042Zjason irvinehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/jasonirvine
It's a temporary water line at $4 a foot.
It's a temporary water line at $4 a foot. Thank you for letting us know…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-06:2274639:Comment:7758562018-04-06T17:54:50.102ZJames T Monyakhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JamesTMonyak
<p>Thank you for letting us know that you received $35 for the gas lines.</p>
<p>How much did you receive for the water lines?</p>
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<p>Thank you for letting us know that you received $35 for the gas lines.</p>
<p>How much did you receive for the water lines?</p>
<p></p> Thanks to all that responded.…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-06:2274639:Comment:7757682018-04-06T15:27:14.107Zjason irvinehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/jasonirvine
Thanks to all that responded. We signed with antero who also holds the drilling lease. We agreed to 35 a foot per line. They are installing 4 lines. We have access to all of our property for logging. The rest of the details are acceptable.
Thanks to all that responded. We signed with antero who also holds the drilling lease. We agreed to 35 a foot per line. They are installing 4 lines. We have access to all of our property for logging. The rest of the details are acceptable. I still think a 1 time paymen…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-04:2274639:Comment:7757482018-04-04T01:35:17.558ZJed Clampetthttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JedClampett885
<p>I still think a 1 time payment for forever use of your land is giving it away. I feel they should pay every year the pipe in in the ground. X dollars per foot of line for you to forever lose the use of that land, your heirs get nothing and have to just live with the pipe there and making money for the gas company. Instead of granting a right of way, I think we should all be leasing the use of the land. I don't think asking for a percentage of the value of gas shipped across your land it…</p>
<p>I still think a 1 time payment for forever use of your land is giving it away. I feel they should pay every year the pipe in in the ground. X dollars per foot of line for you to forever lose the use of that land, your heirs get nothing and have to just live with the pipe there and making money for the gas company. Instead of granting a right of way, I think we should all be leasing the use of the land. I don't think asking for a percentage of the value of gas shipped across your land it fair, just a flat fee per year to use your land. Don't forget to include an automatic inflation clause pinned to some cost/inflation index, etc. When they need a wider path to add/repair/replace, they rent that extra space as needed. And paying for timber damage/loss for initial construction is a must have also.</p>
<p></p> Make sure they put the water…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-03:2274639:Comment:7760172018-04-03T18:49:20.586ZJoe Bezelhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JoeBezel
<p>Make sure they put the water line in a place where it won't interfere with your use of your land. It looks like a giant fire hose; you won't be able to drive across it.</p>
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<p>Make sure they put the water line in a place where it won't interfere with your use of your land. It looks like a giant fire hose; you won't be able to drive across it.</p>
<p></p> Thank you. They have agreed t…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-03:2274639:Comment:7759242018-04-03T18:35:47.102Zjason irvinehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/jasonirvine
Thank you. They have agreed to 35 a foot for each of the first 2 lines. Then we negotiate the 2nd 2. We still need to work out more specifics before I sign.
Thank you. They have agreed to 35 a foot for each of the first 2 lines. Then we negotiate the 2nd 2. We still need to work out more specifics before I sign. Be specific in what you ask f…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-03:2274639:Comment:7757442018-04-03T03:40:20.890ZJoe Bezelhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JoeBezel
<p>Be specific in what you ask for. I learned the hard way. When we negotiated the ROW, they agreed to leave the timber for us. We had quite a few tall, mature, straight white oaks that were cut. When the chain saw crew came through, they dropped the trees so they fell into a steep ravine. We even rented a small bulldozer; we couldn't get them out. A few months later, they came back with track hoes to move everything off the ROW. I explained the problem to the foreman; he agreed to pull…</p>
<p>Be specific in what you ask for. I learned the hard way. When we negotiated the ROW, they agreed to leave the timber for us. We had quite a few tall, mature, straight white oaks that were cut. When the chain saw crew came through, they dropped the trees so they fell into a steep ravine. We even rented a small bulldozer; we couldn't get them out. A few months later, they came back with track hoes to move everything off the ROW. I explained the problem to the foreman; he agreed to pull them out of the ravine where we could work on them. They did, and put them on the wrong side of the ROW, that had no access to a road. They would not let us bring equipment across the ROW to haul out the trees. They had already pulled the track hoes out. and moved them to another area. A few months later, they came back. Again I explained to the foreman what the problem was, and he agreed to move the timber to the near side of the ROW. They did, and stacked them in a pile about 25' high, not neatly but in a haphazard fashion, like pixie sticks. It was impossible to pull any out safely. Finally, I talked someone into stacking them in a reasonable fashion. When the timber guy came out to look at them, he said they had sat too long and had water stains in the wood; they were worthless as timber. We figured this fiasco cost us about $40,000. I don't think the pipeline people were being jackasses, they just didn't care.</p> That is great info. I'm glad…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-03:2274639:Comment:7760152018-04-03T03:02:33.043Zjason irvinehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/jasonirvine
That is great info. I'm glad you mentioned the timber access. This is a hunting camp with 95% wooded. Our property also has not been tinbered for years...appx 50 acres that is 35 to 40 years old and 30 acres 45 to 50 years old. It is due to be timbered. They need to leave us access to the remaining trees.
That is great info. I'm glad you mentioned the timber access. This is a hunting camp with 95% wooded. Our property also has not been tinbered for years...appx 50 acres that is 35 to 40 years old and 30 acres 45 to 50 years old. It is due to be timbered. They need to leave us access to the remaining trees. Jason,
From your description,…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-02:2274639:Comment:7756062018-04-02T02:06:55.751ZJoe Bezelhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JoeBezel
<p>Jason,</p>
<p>From your description, this sounds like gathering lines from a well pad. I don't have any of these, but do have several easements with NGL pipelines. For the landowner's perspective, it doesn't make much difference. I would nail down the contract terms you want before worrying about how much per foot you will get paid. You mentioned that the ROW will split your land. in half. It is important that you have access to all your property to maintain its value. They won't tell…</p>
<p>Jason,</p>
<p>From your description, this sounds like gathering lines from a well pad. I don't have any of these, but do have several easements with NGL pipelines. For the landowner's perspective, it doesn't make much difference. I would nail down the contract terms you want before worrying about how much per foot you will get paid. You mentioned that the ROW will split your land. in half. It is important that you have access to all your property to maintain its value. They won't tell you up front, but you will not be able to move heavy equipment, such as a cement truck or semi, across the ROW. If the pipeline ROW will cut off access from any road to a section of your property, you will forever be unable to develop it by constructing a home or other building, or drive a semi to it to harvest timber. Make sure they build you a "bridge" so that you access all of your property, or compensate you for the loss of use of the cut-off part of your land. It is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask for, and they will do it, but you have to ask. There are many other considerations. While I have done three easements, one of them very complex, I would not dream of doing one without a good attorney. They will have their attorneys crawling over every word of your contract; don't go into this unrepresented. Don't worry about attorney's fees, a good attorney will get more than enough out of them in negotiations to make it worth while. The usual fee structure is the attorney will get 25%-30% of whatever they negotiate over the best offer they made to you. For example, if their best offer to you was $35/foot, and the attorney negotiates $100/foot, he will get 25% of the difference, $65, which comes to $16.25 per foot. You will get the rest, $83.75 per foot. Not a bad deal. But more important are the terms, which will govern how you can use the property. You will have to live with this the rest of your life. Get legal assistance. For more information, search for "pipeline easement" in the search window on the upper right of the screen; you will find many threads.</p> The appx distance on my prope…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-01:2274639:Comment:7756052018-04-01T20:22:03.791Zjason irvinehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/jasonirvine
The appx distance on my property is 2100 feet. A small change adds a lot more money.
The appx distance on my property is 2100 feet. A small change adds a lot more money.