Crawford County, You are now HOT! What will you do? - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-29T10:26:05Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/crawford-county-you-are-now-hot-what-will-you-do?groupUrl=crawford-county-pa&commentId=2274639%3AComment%3A350191&groupId=2274639%3AGroup%3A145929&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes, let's 'do see', Sam...go…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-12-30:2274639:Comment:5295752013-12-30T03:20:26.713Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>Yes, let's 'do see', Sam...good things DO come to he who waits...now close to 2014...now being said that Mercer Co getting 'action', Crawford?...it IS there, just wait & you'll see.</p>
<p>As one light lights another, now grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness.</p>
<p>...be comin' round the corner when they come - ye'haw!</p>
<p>...Houston, - Pa is on the radar - we know it is there, over...<a href="http://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/sharon-pa-interesting">"Sharon, PA…</a></p>
<p>Yes, let's 'do see', Sam...good things DO come to he who waits...now close to 2014...now being said that Mercer Co getting 'action', Crawford?...it IS there, just wait & you'll see.</p>
<p>As one light lights another, now grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness.</p>
<p>...be comin' round the corner when they come - ye'haw!</p>
<p>...Houston, - Pa is on the radar - we know it is there, over...<a href="http://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/sharon-pa-interesting">"Sharon, PA Interesting" - Go Marcellus & Utica Shale: Leasing, Drilling & Mineral Rights</a></p>
<p>...in-ter-esting...VERY interesting...he said, she said....</p>
<p></p> Nearly 2014...Happy New Year.…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-12-30:2274639:Comment:5295742013-12-30T03:00:17.857Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>Nearly 2014...Happy New Year...Ho-Ho-Ho. Last post on this site: Sam Douglas on Oct. 27, 2012 @ 12:42pm...</p>
<p>...hop into the Tardis & fast forward to Dec. 2013 (ALMOST 2014...) - what has changed, what has stayed the same? NOW reading on GMS that 'Mercer Co.' is being paid attention to again...huh, fancy that.</p>
<p>Go Figure. As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness.</p>
<p>Nearly 2014...Happy New Year...Ho-Ho-Ho. Last post on this site: Sam Douglas on Oct. 27, 2012 @ 12:42pm...</p>
<p>...hop into the Tardis & fast forward to Dec. 2013 (ALMOST 2014...) - what has changed, what has stayed the same? NOW reading on GMS that 'Mercer Co.' is being paid attention to again...huh, fancy that.</p>
<p>Go Figure. As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness.</p> Jim - good point. TIME...you…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-12-30:2274639:Comment:5299272013-12-30T01:53:57.024Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>Jim - good point. TIME...you comment to Sam about the leases mentioned in his post are from 2008 or earlier...huh - now RIGHT AROUND the corner from 2014, and...</p>
<p>...wouldn't it be impressive to have that crystal ball (we DO - it's called the internet...but it STILL can't 'tell us the future' - YET...)? Hindsight is 20/20, is it not?...</p>
<p>...NOW, from what little I read - we may see what ends up 'heating up' concerning the Arctic Zone diplomatically...a new/old plate. Some things…</p>
<p>Jim - good point. TIME...you comment to Sam about the leases mentioned in his post are from 2008 or earlier...huh - now RIGHT AROUND the corner from 2014, and...</p>
<p>...wouldn't it be impressive to have that crystal ball (we DO - it's called the internet...but it STILL can't 'tell us the future' - YET...)? Hindsight is 20/20, is it not?...</p>
<p>...NOW, from what little I read - we may see what ends up 'heating up' concerning the Arctic Zone diplomatically...a new/old plate. Some things never change.</p>
<p>ALL good points made: thrust-perry-thrust...will indeed be interesting to compare/contrast June 30, 2012 to June 30, 2014, eh?...you were saying about Mercer Co.?...up, down, up, down...up, down. Squeak, squeak, squeak...the squeaky wheel needs oiled?</p>
<p>Time does tell. Physics prof. friend of mine, when asked if he believed that 'time travel' WAS possible replied in question, "Back in time or forward in time?"...then went on to say that going BACK in time - no, but FORWARD...yes.</p>
<p>Think about it - it makes sense: in the Bible - it only refers to present and future...not to past - because we CAN'T change the past. SO it is always best to FORWARD THINK. We are only 'masters' of our present situation, as far as 'change' goes...therefore affecting the future. The past IS 'written in stone'.</p>
<p>Interesting thought indeed...as one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness. Go Forth.</p> Sam Douglass - Interesting si…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-12-30:2274639:Comment:5298832013-12-30T00:44:56.462Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>Sam Douglass - Interesting situation,,,signed contract/agreement. SPECIFIC written /inittialled statement (by both Lessee & G/O Rep. + Rep. was a notary) that Co.'s G/O contract is NOT to be *Transferred -or- *Sold without Lessee's written consent.</p>
<p>This was done *ASSIGNMENT AND BILL OF SALE* - BOTH 'sold (for consideration of $10-?)' -AND- 'transferred' (not once but TWICE by same signing co. to TWO different companies. (???)</p>
<p>One for *Vertical Wells (?) the other *Oil and…</p>
<p>Sam Douglass - Interesting situation,,,signed contract/agreement. SPECIFIC written /inittialled statement (by both Lessee & G/O Rep. + Rep. was a notary) that Co.'s G/O contract is NOT to be *Transferred -or- *Sold without Lessee's written consent.</p>
<p>This was done *ASSIGNMENT AND BILL OF SALE* - BOTH 'sold (for consideration of $10-?)' -AND- 'transferred' (not once but TWICE by same signing co. to TWO different companies. (???)</p>
<p>One for *Vertical Wells (?) the other *Oil and Gas Leases...strange things afoot....</p>
<p>NOT being 'greedy, just want to be wise ('they' are...for themselves)....</p>
<p>As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness. Diligence? Right? Wrong?...</p>
<p>...What to do?...thoughts...*CONTRACTS are (legal?) CONTRACTS & DRILLING is just that - DRILLING.</p>
<p>CONTRACT? Right is Right & Wrong is Wrong. (correct?) crossed lines?</p> "Patience is a virtue, posses…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-01-23:2274639:Comment:3905242013-01-23T02:56:24.136Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>"Patience is a virtue, possess it if you can. Seldom in a woman, but never in a man." Ha, Ha, HA! - saying my mom said when I was very young - stuck in my head! SO TRUE! - don't you think? Ha-ha!!</p>
<p>*Have an interesting situation: 700+ acres hanging 'in the balance'...not 'too big of a deal', but, OH - IT IS! Dad signed lease with Atlas in 2001 - before 'internet' really had alot of information (like available NOW).... Back then - one needed to read and retain, as well as 'KNOW WHAT YOU…</p>
<p>"Patience is a virtue, possess it if you can. Seldom in a woman, but never in a man." Ha, Ha, HA! - saying my mom said when I was very young - stuck in my head! SO TRUE! - don't you think? Ha-ha!!</p>
<p>*Have an interesting situation: 700+ acres hanging 'in the balance'...not 'too big of a deal', but, OH - IT IS! Dad signed lease with Atlas in 2001 - before 'internet' really had alot of information (like available NOW).... Back then - one needed to read and retain, as well as 'KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW' information (NOT 'computer fed' information...).... My father was such an individual - a TRUE 'renaissance man'. He read WSJ, IBD, Barrrons, Forbes, Scientific American + AND retained everything he read. In 2001 - signed lease with Atlas - mutually agreed upon lease - by BOTH parties. BUT - *he was wise enough to have THIS statement (as follows) written in & AGREED TO - by Atlas:</p>
<p>***"Lessee shall not assign this lease to any other operating company without Lessor's written consent."*** - That's pretty straightforward, right?...well, things got interesting...</p>
<p>1) Dad owns land free & clear of ANY 'lease agreements' with anyone. (2001)</p>
<p>2) Atlas landman comes 'sniffing around'...they come to a MUTUAL AGREEMENT, and lease is signed. (2001)</p>
<p>3) THEN 'wells' get drilled in 2001, BUT there was *ANOTHER thing that he did! - Here is the quote:</p>
<p>***"Lessor retains the right to drill and produce any formations above the depth of 1200 feet from the surface. In addition, Lessor retains the right to drill and produce any formations below the Queenston Shale. However, Lessee has the right to match any valid offer from other companies interested in drilling into said formations."*** Pretty smart daddy, eh?!</p>
<p>--------------------------------daddy passes.</p>
<p>4) Feb.17, 2011: Receive letter from Atlas Resources LLC containing a COPY of dad's lease agreement HIGHLIGHTING that statement about "Lessee shall not..." along with LETTER they are hoping that I will sign with this statement: "Please indicate your consent to this agreement to this Assignment, intending to be legally bound..." *WHAT? - I don't think so!...but I AM WORRIED! -- WHAT DOES/CAN ONE DO against these 'big guns'? SCARRY!!! I do NOT sign. - WHY should I? I have NOTHING TO GAIN - AND EVERYTHING TO LOOSE!</p>
<p>5) July 28, 2011: ANOTHER LETTER - asking the SAME THING, but something with 'VIKING RESOURCES'...this is getting disturbing! Again - I DO NOT 'SIGN'!</p>
<p>----------------------------------I finally call the courthouse to ask what has changed...finally get there in summer 2012...to discover this:</p>
<p>6) X2 'ASSIGNMENT AND BILL OF SALE' agreements on this land, this lease - the one between ***Atlas America, LLC and Atlas Noble, LLC...the other between</p>
<p> ***ATLAS RESOURCES, LLC and VIKING RESOURCES, LLC as well as RESOURCE ENERGY, LLC.</p>
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<p>***WHAT is going on here? Here's the real 'kicker' - the 'DATE' on the agreement(s) were BOTH on "Effective Date" shall mean February 16, 2011!!! *WHAT???!</p>
<p>--THEY broke dad's lease! - of their own accord! SO - where does one go from here? There IS potentially alot 'hanging in the balance'. DAD know about the BLACK RIVER, Marcellus Shale, Utica Shale, Devonian Shale...he 'forgot' MORE than I'LL ever 'know'! My dad was a 'doer'. He knew what he knew...and he did what he did to protect 'TARA' (remember 'Gone with the Wind' - the ending where she is on her knees with her hands in fists FULL of the RICH, DARK EARTH...TARA!). I grew up KNOWING & VALUING 'TARA'. I love our land. It is my one jewel to guard, protect, and love. I am scared, but I know that I can do what is right - by him (being dad). I love my father and what He DID in wisdom...I have that torch to CARRY ON.</p>
<p>----THEN in Nov. 2012 - received a letter from MasonDixon Energy, Inc. concerning the PIPELINE on property...Letter has 'Williams' symbol (Williams Partners L.P.- symbol: WPZ)...in connection with Chevron - who 'bought out' Atlas...SEE how they all 'gel together'? - Do you remember the Grocery stores back in the late 60's? - How the 'checkout girls' were paid MORE $/hour than RN's...because they were UNIONIZED?! Well...the GAS CO.'s work much along the 'same lines'. THEY all 'buy/trade/exchange' everything in 'their universe' much in the same ways - to avoid various regulations, stipulations +++...anyway - it's all a BIG 'dog & pony show'! AND it's MEANT to confuse & bewilder the 'little guy' - the 'property owner'. THEY are the 'big dog'! It's truly really, REALLY SCARY! Anyway - even the 'pipeline' scenario MAY end up being 'unhinged' DUE to 'Atlas's CROSSING lines' of contract that were clearly stated! There is MUCH here to weigh...Dunsinane, Dunsinane! I MUST be able to clearly 'see the woods for the trees' - God be with me.</p>
<p>I know this: Right is Right & WRONG is WRONG. (another 'mom' quote...she was so 'clean & straightforward' WISE!). THANKS, MOM!</p>
<p>It IS - ALL SO VERY clear & straightforward: 1) dad owns land free & clear - NO contracts for/with ANYTHING! 2) agreement with Atlas - MUTUALLY ACCEPTED (before ANY wells are drilled - clean, VIRGIN LAND!) 3) Shallow wells drilled. - fine.</p>
<p>*THEN, contract VOIDED by Atlas themselves! - by their own NEGLIGENCE! (incompetence?) ***I HAVE COPIES - OF THE 'ASSIGNMENT AND BILL OF SALE' ***BY*** ATLAS TO...!!!x2 different contracts -COPIES- from the COURTHOUSE ITSELF!!!...NOW where do I go? ***THEY KNOW that they 'slipped up' - OR ELSE they would NOT have went to the trouble of sending letters such as they did!!!</p>
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<p>One more thing...THIS could be the key to being free to renegotiate EVERYTHING for the 'deeper wells - NOW *finally beginning to be harvested as my father had FORSEEN by his knowledge through insights from his reading. *DAD 'laid the groundwork' - now it's time to continue to PROTECT what HE knew about! 'Nastrodamus' * 'the professor' were his nicknames in high school!!! Could it be, OH - could it be? By God's good grace...please helpme. -GG</p>
<p>God be with me. As one light lights another. not grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness. Who is John Gualt? He who stands firm.</p>
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<p></p> It is the producer's job to p…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-10-27:2274639:Comment:3624322012-10-27T16:42:35.020ZSam Douglasshttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/SamDouglass
<p>It is the producer's job to pick off as many landowners as possible at the lowest possible price before considering dealing with a group like NWPALG that will be seeking a fair price and return. The stockholders of the company are not in the charity business. They want their companies to buy low and sell high. We all like to do that if possible. Their first offers will not be their best offers because of the responsibility to stockholders to buy as cheaply as possible - and with lease…</p>
<p>It is the producer's job to pick off as many landowners as possible at the lowest possible price before considering dealing with a group like NWPALG that will be seeking a fair price and return. The stockholders of the company are not in the charity business. They want their companies to buy low and sell high. We all like to do that if possible. Their first offers will not be their best offers because of the responsibility to stockholders to buy as cheaply as possible - and with lease terms as favorable as possible. Guess what kind of instructions are given to the landmen who rap on your door.</p> If you are a "numskull" then…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-10-27:2274639:Comment:3622522012-10-27T16:35:37.084ZSam Douglasshttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/SamDouglass
<p>If you are a "numskull" then an lot of us are also numskulls - all trying to learn. One thing that is apparent is that one of these drill pads [with several wells] into the Utica, Marcellus etc. probably cost the producer in excess of $20,000,000. It takes the billion dollar companies to throw that kind of money around. Not infrequently, in an effort to sell its existing holdings, a smaller local producer will drill a few deep holes to "prove up" the reserves. Often these are vertical…</p>
<p>If you are a "numskull" then an lot of us are also numskulls - all trying to learn. One thing that is apparent is that one of these drill pads [with several wells] into the Utica, Marcellus etc. probably cost the producer in excess of $20,000,000. It takes the billion dollar companies to throw that kind of money around. Not infrequently, in an effort to sell its existing holdings, a smaller local producer will drill a few deep holes to "prove up" the reserves. Often these are vertical holes that are sufficient to give the geologists sufficient information to determine what is there [but far less expensive than horizontal drilling and fracking]. With "conventional" drilling it was not necessary to lease every piece of land since the product flowed to the well bore from long distances. To make the package more attractive for sale to the big guys, these smaller companies will do a little leasing to try to fill in blanks as required for the shale operation. Once the package is put together they will sell it to a billions dollar company for probably $5,000/acre and a 20% royalty and keep the difference between what you are paid and that company is paid as an override royalty.</p>
<p>Range [as well as maybe some others] is already there and you will be dealing with Range or someone picking up leases for Range [or whoever else is already there].</p>
<p></p> My suggestion is to maintain…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-10-27:2274639:Comment:3624172012-10-27T16:00:35.070ZSam Douglasshttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/SamDouglass
<p>My suggestion is to maintain your interest and try to watch what is going on but do not get excited.</p>
<p>I think Sam Orr is right that a new budget year might bring a little more activity. But do not think the producers are going to pay their highest prices to landowners right away. They will first try to pick off the hungry and greedy who want the money for whatever reason and will not wait for better offers. They have lots of time to lease because they already have a lot…</p>
<p>My suggestion is to maintain your interest and try to watch what is going on but do not get excited.</p>
<p>I think Sam Orr is right that a new budget year might bring a little more activity. But do not think the producers are going to pay their highest prices to landowners right away. They will first try to pick off the hungry and greedy who want the money for whatever reason and will not wait for better offers. They have lots of time to lease because they already have a lot leased.</p>
<p>Eventually the producers may see that folks are not dummies and start raising offers to what Texans pay Texans for stuff that is not nearly as good.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that if they want to lease your property they have concluded that it is worth having. From then on it is a poker game. The producer has to have your property "eventually" and the landowner would like to have as much for it as s/he can get. And keep in mind that the bonus may be the last real money you see for a long time - with 75 to 111 years of drilling to go and billion dollar plants still to be built to handle the stuff.</p>
<p>Hold in your excitement. What happens next week is of little consequence. </p>
David
Any update.
Thanks tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-10-27:2274639:Comment:3623252012-10-27T01:49:03.285ZBerkhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/BerkBossard
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<p>David</p>
<p>Any update.</p>
<p>Thanks </p>
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<p>David</p>
<p>Any update.</p>
<p>Thanks </p> We are working out the final…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-10-22:2274639:Comment:3607452012-10-22T01:29:09.838ZDavid Hunthttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/DavidHunt
<p>We are working out the final details and will probably announce this week</p>
<p>We are working out the final details and will probably announce this week</p>