How much workspace does it take to replace a gas line? - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-29T04:48:11Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/how-much-workspace-does-it-take-to-replace-a-gas-line?commentId=2274639%3AComment%3A522129&feed=yes&xn_auth=noTony, I have sent you a frien…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-01-23:2274639:Comment:5377232014-01-23T01:50:45.055ZKathi Albertsonhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/KathiAlbertson
Tony, I have sent you a friend request so I can ask more about 49CFR 192 HC.<br />
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Kathi
Tony, I have sent you a friend request so I can ask more about 49CFR 192 HC.<br />
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Kathi The 50 feet row was a permane…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-12-02:2274639:Comment:5222262013-12-02T03:39:31.032ZDavid Stewarthttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/DavidStewart
<p>The 50 feet row was a permanent row for 1 pipeline only. They paid single payment by foot across land, 30 is what I got but think i could of held out for 50 but maybe not with the 50 foot. Specified double ditch method for stock piling top soil. Got paid for double timber value and had logs piled for my use after clearing. I eliminated the temporary easements on either side. </p>
<p>Have rumours of people getting annual payments but havent seen it happen for pipelines, Compessor…</p>
<p>The 50 feet row was a permanent row for 1 pipeline only. They paid single payment by foot across land, 30 is what I got but think i could of held out for 50 but maybe not with the 50 foot. Specified double ditch method for stock piling top soil. Got paid for double timber value and had logs piled for my use after clearing. I eliminated the temporary easements on either side. </p>
<p>Have rumours of people getting annual payments but havent seen it happen for pipelines, Compessor stations yes but not pipelines in our area </p> Thanks David. 50 feet is stil…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-12-01:2274639:Comment:5221652013-12-01T13:01:39.106ZKathi Albertsonhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/KathiAlbertson
Thanks David. 50 feet is still 20 feet more than the 30 foot permanent ROW they have now. I am waiting for a call back from the "new" guy in charge of the project to discuss the issue. How long before the start if the digging did they mark the 100 feet. A group of surveyors has come and gone and they marked where the current line is but not the workspace.
Thanks David. 50 feet is still 20 feet more than the 30 foot permanent ROW they have now. I am waiting for a call back from the "new" guy in charge of the project to discuss the issue. How long before the start if the digging did they mark the 100 feet. A group of surveyors has come and gone and they marked where the current line is but not the workspace. Kathi,
I just had a 24" line…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-12-01:2274639:Comment:5219952013-12-01T03:18:07.460ZDavid Stewarthttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/DavidStewart
<p>Kathi,</p>
<p>I just had a 24" line put through my place, in the initial Row I gave them 50 feet. When they got ready to install they marked 100 feet. After a lot of discussion and rereading the addendums I did they remarked to 75 feet, so more discussion and rereading contract and addendum. Finally remarked to 50 feet. The pipe line install crew didnt like it but they managed. </p>
<p>I just didnt want a freeway running though my wooded areas. So the short of it is they can manage in…</p>
<p>Kathi,</p>
<p>I just had a 24" line put through my place, in the initial Row I gave them 50 feet. When they got ready to install they marked 100 feet. After a lot of discussion and rereading the addendums I did they remarked to 75 feet, so more discussion and rereading contract and addendum. Finally remarked to 50 feet. The pipe line install crew didnt like it but they managed. </p>
<p>I just didnt want a freeway running though my wooded areas. So the short of it is they can manage in 50 foot space</p> More than you probably want t…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-11-30:2274639:Comment:5220522013-11-30T15:06:08.719ZPhilip Brutzhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/PhilipBrutz
<p>More than you probably want to know about natural gas pipelines. From the Argonne National Laboratory:</p>
<p><a href="http://corridoreis.anl.gov/documents/docs/technical/APT_61034_EVS_TM_08_5.pdf" target="_blank">http://corridoreis.anl.gov/documents/docs/technical/APT_61034_EVS_TM_08_5.pdf</a></p>
<p>More than you probably want to know about natural gas pipelines. From the Argonne National Laboratory:</p>
<p><a href="http://corridoreis.anl.gov/documents/docs/technical/APT_61034_EVS_TM_08_5.pdf" target="_blank">http://corridoreis.anl.gov/documents/docs/technical/APT_61034_EVS_TM_08_5.pdf</a></p> Very interesting report James…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-11-30:2274639:Comment:5221292013-11-30T12:00:09.193ZFairMktValuehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/GBrooks
<p>Very interesting report James, thank for posting it,</p>
<p>Very interesting report James, thank for posting it,</p> James, thanks so much for thi…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-11-29:2274639:Comment:5216892013-11-29T04:03:21.845ZKathi Albertsonhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/KathiAlbertson
James, thanks so much for this information. It is clear that they will need a lot more than 30 feet to replace a 36" pipeline.
James, thanks so much for this information. It is clear that they will need a lot more than 30 feet to replace a 36" pipeline. Thanks Tony, that is kind of…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-11-29:2274639:Comment:5215002013-11-29T02:40:37.363ZKathi Albertsonhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/KathiAlbertson
Thanks Tony, that is kind of what we thought. Surely Kinder Morgan knows what their right of way is. Wouldn't you think that they would approach us to discuss a temporary easement as was done when the pipeline was first constructed?
Thanks Tony, that is kind of what we thought. Surely Kinder Morgan knows what their right of way is. Wouldn't you think that they would approach us to discuss a temporary easement as was done when the pipeline was first constructed? For those who know from exper…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-11-28:2274639:Comment:5214892013-11-28T16:32:41.678ZTony Yurinahttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/AnthonyYurina
<p>For those who know from experience, a 36" line replacement project will require a substantial amount of material to be removed from the excavation. Large equipment is also required.</p>
<p>Think about it, 4 feet of cover, for the pipe itself, 3 feet deeper at a minimum, that is seven feet of material x width (following OSHA trenching requirements or shoring) plus pipe string out - welding work area, is a lot of material and width needed. The size of equipment, amount of dirt material,…</p>
<p>For those who know from experience, a 36" line replacement project will require a substantial amount of material to be removed from the excavation. Large equipment is also required.</p>
<p>Think about it, 4 feet of cover, for the pipe itself, 3 feet deeper at a minimum, that is seven feet of material x width (following OSHA trenching requirements or shoring) plus pipe string out - welding work area, is a lot of material and width needed. The size of equipment, amount of dirt material, ditch width, every inch of the original (1956 30 foot plus 45 temporary) 75 foot wide easement is needed, IMO this is cutting it very tight. The only other option is to directionaly drill (bore) under the property and slide the pipe through the bore hole. This can be done also, less surface disturbance.</p>
<p>From reading above, the population increase has potentially made this a High Consequence (49CFR192 HC) area and is getting some upgrade attention.</p>
<p>You can spell out the soil / subsoil separation (double ditch method) re-seeding requirements, soil test, lime and fertilizer, replant trees / damages, etc.</p> Kathi.
I would certainly ask…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-11-28:2274639:Comment:5214772013-11-28T11:39:31.509ZFairMktValuehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/GBrooks
<p>Kathi.</p>
<p>I would certainly ask for something in writing spelling out exactly what they are going to do and why. If it is a Fed mandate for upgraded standards they must have some paperwork to that effect. You have asked them for a written proposal for the pipe yard and...... funny how <em>"put that in writing"</em> seems to change things all of a sudden. lol</p>
<p>If they are just upgrading the line for more capacity I would think this may open up as Trapper notes "additional…</p>
<p>Kathi.</p>
<p>I would certainly ask for something in writing spelling out exactly what they are going to do and why. If it is a Fed mandate for upgraded standards they must have some paperwork to that effect. You have asked them for a written proposal for the pipe yard and...... funny how <em>"put that in writing"</em> seems to change things all of a sudden. lol</p>
<p>If they are just upgrading the line for more capacity I would think this may open up as Trapper notes "additional lines".</p>
<p>I know nothing about pipeline construction but a 36" pipe is pretty big. 30' may indeed be enough room for construction . My guess is that some additional room may be needed one side or the other. Maybe not - again I would require some paperwork on this before they turn a shovel full of dirt.</p>
<p>Cynic that I am - it is entirely possible that they are indeed going to install a larger capacity line and know that will reopen portions of the existing ROW agreement.</p>
<p> The original agreement dates from 1956 - existing pipe certainly is a bit old-</p>
<p>likely needs to be replaced, so my above statement may just be cynical.</p>
<p>I would keep a gimlet eye on the entire operation! lol</p>
<p>CHEERS</p>
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