I've asked about the pipe lease. Please help with permanent easement agreement - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-28T17:54:35Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/i-ve-asked-about-the-pipe-lease-please-help-with-permanent?commentId=2274639%3AComment%3A777212&feed=yes&xn_auth=noGlad you had a good experienc…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-05-01:2274639:Comment:7775162018-05-01T03:24:09.233ZJoe Bezelhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JoeBezel
<p>Glad you had a good experience! I've found that you can usually do well with a pipeline company if you state clearly what you want, are willing to fight for it and have a good attorney. Rerouting a pipeline is hugely expensive and an eminent domain action can be time (and money) consuming. Easier for them to write a check. We had that fight with a big pipeline project a few years ago, and in testimony they revealed the cost for delays. In our case, just under $1 million in lost revenue,…</p>
<p>Glad you had a good experience! I've found that you can usually do well with a pipeline company if you state clearly what you want, are willing to fight for it and have a good attorney. Rerouting a pipeline is hugely expensive and an eminent domain action can be time (and money) consuming. Easier for them to write a check. We had that fight with a big pipeline project a few years ago, and in testimony they revealed the cost for delays. In our case, just under $1 million in lost revenue, $1.5 to keep construction crews idle, per day.</p> Joe, the timing sounds about…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-05-01:2274639:Comment:7773012018-05-01T00:51:11.399ZKathi Albertsonhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/KathiAlbertson
<p>Joe, the timing sounds about right for the line through our place. We were told that the line had to be upgraded due to the fact the the campground on our northern border added so many “residences” that the line had to be upgraded. After years of talking about it, we were told that FERC gave a deadline requiring that the work be completed in the Spring of 2014. It worked out well for us as we had several years to learn from others, including many on this site, what we should ask for. We told…</p>
<p>Joe, the timing sounds about right for the line through our place. We were told that the line had to be upgraded due to the fact the the campground on our northern border added so many “residences” that the line had to be upgraded. After years of talking about it, we were told that FERC gave a deadline requiring that the work be completed in the Spring of 2014. It worked out well for us as we had several years to learn from others, including many on this site, what we should ask for. We told the land man that if they didn’t like our terms they could go through Eminent Domain which they had no time to do. We made out extremely well. Throughout the 30+ years that we have owned the property, Kinder Morgan has been great to work with and very responsive to any request that we made, including marking their right of way every Spring before we planted Christmas trees so there would be no question re encroachment. I even got a ride in their helicopter!</p> While talking about a pipelin…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-30:2274639:Comment:7773002018-04-30T03:47:53.797ZJoe Bezelhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JoeBezel
<p>While talking about a pipeline easement with my attorney, he told me about some subterfuge Kinder Morgan had pulled. Kinder Morgan wanted to build a NGLs pipeline, but saw it as an expensive, difficult and uncertain undertaking, as FERC eminent domain laws do not apply to NGLs. They would have to do it the old fashioned way; they'd have to pay market value to landowners for the right-of-way. Not wanting to do this, they found an old natural gas line that would serve their purpose and…</p>
<p>While talking about a pipeline easement with my attorney, he told me about some subterfuge Kinder Morgan had pulled. Kinder Morgan wanted to build a NGLs pipeline, but saw it as an expensive, difficult and uncertain undertaking, as FERC eminent domain laws do not apply to NGLs. They would have to do it the old fashioned way; they'd have to pay market value to landowners for the right-of-way. Not wanting to do this, they found an old natural gas line that would serve their purpose and refurbished it, asking for and receiving tax money to help pay for it for good measure. After doing this, they waited a period of time, they then announced they were going to change the product flowing through the line. It sounds like this is the line that crosses your land.</p> When they replaced it 4 years…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-30:2274639:Comment:7772122018-04-30T02:15:28.191ZKathi Albertsonhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/KathiAlbertson
<p>When they replaced it 4 years ago, it went from south to north and was for natural gas. Since then, they have reversed the flow, increased the pressure, and changed the product. I think it is NGL but am not sure.</p>
<p>When they replaced it 4 years ago, it went from south to north and was for natural gas. Since then, they have reversed the flow, increased the pressure, and changed the product. I think it is NGL but am not sure.</p> Just out of curiosity, was th…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-30:2274639:Comment:7772982018-04-30T01:54:07.566ZJoe Bezelhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JoeBezel
<p>Just out of curiosity, was the Kinder Morgan line a natural gas line or NGL line?</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, was the Kinder Morgan line a natural gas line or NGL line?</p> Thank you. I didn't like the…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-28:2274639:Comment:7771992018-04-28T04:17:05.138Zjason irvinehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/jasonirvine
Thank you. I didn't like the permanent easement. They would own the property forever.
Thank you. I didn't like the permanent easement. They would own the property forever. For what it’s worth, when Kin…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-28:2274639:Comment:7774462018-04-28T01:28:42.901ZKathi Albertsonhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/KathiAlbertson
<p>For what it’s worth, when Kinder Morgan replaced a major pipeline that crosses better than 1/2 a mile of our land 4 years ago, we required the the permanent easement of 30 feet one year after the completion of the replacement, as established by eminent domain rules when the line was first put in some 50 years prior. If they have to come back for any reason, they will have to pay for any workspace they need that exceeds 15 feet on either side of the line.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, when Kinder Morgan replaced a major pipeline that crosses better than 1/2 a mile of our land 4 years ago, we required the the permanent easement of 30 feet one year after the completion of the replacement, as established by eminent domain rules when the line was first put in some 50 years prior. If they have to come back for any reason, they will have to pay for any workspace they need that exceeds 15 feet on either side of the line.</p> Thankstag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-27:2274639:Comment:7772722018-04-27T14:59:09.749Zjason irvinehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/jasonirvine
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Thanks Jason.... Here is a link impl…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-27:2274639:Comment:7772682018-04-27T04:32:59.518ZGary Lhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/GaryL
<p>Jason.... Here is a link implemented by your state concerning pipelines.</p>
<p><a href="http://wvmetronews.com/2018/04/02/dep-launches-new-webpage-for-pipeline-projects/" target="_blank">http://wvmetronews.com/2018/04/02/dep-launches-new-webpage-for-pipeline-projects/</a></p>
<p>Click on the ( red highlighted type ) to visit their site. GMS is an excellent resource tool to govern by, but as others have stated, you need to</p>
<p>use prudence with opinions due to speculations. I went thru…</p>
<p>Jason.... Here is a link implemented by your state concerning pipelines.</p>
<p><a href="http://wvmetronews.com/2018/04/02/dep-launches-new-webpage-for-pipeline-projects/" target="_blank">http://wvmetronews.com/2018/04/02/dep-launches-new-webpage-for-pipeline-projects/</a></p>
<p>Click on the ( red highlighted type ) to visit their site. GMS is an excellent resource tool to govern by, but as others have stated, you need to</p>
<p>use prudence with opinions due to speculations. I went thru the pipeline ROW in the past, as it can be very taxing. I did eventually have to hire legal counsel and put together a strong addendum. From what I have read lately the future is going in the direction of storage fields to hold the large volumes of liquid gas for the ethane cracker plants. JMO...</p> Thank you guys. I utilize all…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2018-04-27:2274639:Comment:7772662018-04-27T00:46:18.802Zjason irvinehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/jasonirvine
Thank you guys. I utilize all tools that I can. I get as much advise as possible as I'm also learning. I hate not knowing anything and trusting someone were I can't question things.<br />
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It looks like there is a lot going on in my area. The processing compressors water stations are all around me. We're also in the wet gas area and if the cracker plant comes there will be a lot of it going northwest of us. It's a hunting camp and was purchased because it's remote. The roads and bridges are bad.…
Thank you guys. I utilize all tools that I can. I get as much advise as possible as I'm also learning. I hate not knowing anything and trusting someone were I can't question things.<br />
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It looks like there is a lot going on in my area. The processing compressors water stations are all around me. We're also in the wet gas area and if the cracker plant comes there will be a lot of it going northwest of us. It's a hunting camp and was purchased because it's remote. The roads and bridges are bad. There isn't much drilling....yet but everything else is busy. I heard there getting good wells. I suspect there coming.