Jackass "science" - Here is what we're up against - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-29T09:03:52Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/jackass-science-here-is-what-we-re-up-against?feed=yes&xn_auth=noRE: "Perhaps 97% of scientist…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-10-20:2274639:Comment:6335652014-10-20T01:30:38.855ZJack Strawhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JosephHawk
<p>RE: "Perhaps 97% of scientists are not in agreement with the idea that man is contributing to climate change. Maybe it's only 90 or 95%."</p>
<p>Maybe it is only 15% or 10% .... however one thing is certain, the number of scientists who support Global Warming/Climate Change/Climate Disruption decreases every day, as the scandals associated with falsification of data appear, as the damning emails between Michael Mann and the University of East Anglia are published, as model after model is…</p>
<p>RE: "Perhaps 97% of scientists are not in agreement with the idea that man is contributing to climate change. Maybe it's only 90 or 95%."</p>
<p>Maybe it is only 15% or 10% .... however one thing is certain, the number of scientists who support Global Warming/Climate Change/Climate Disruption decreases every day, as the scandals associated with falsification of data appear, as the damning emails between Michael Mann and the University of East Anglia are published, as model after model is shown to fail in their predictions.</p>
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<p>RE: "But let us at least agree that it is not "idiotic"."</p>
<p>I do agree that it is not "idiotic"; what has occurred is beyond "idiotic" .... in the case of some of the alarmists, it is criminal .... they should be prosecuted for fraud.</p>
<p>Sorry to hear that you have reverted to that group your mentors disdainly refer to as the "useful idiots'; for a short while, I thought that you were better than that.</p>
<p>The news is that the informed have seen through the sham.</p>
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<p>JS</p>
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I appreciate your respon…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-10-20:2274639:Comment:6334462014-10-20T01:14:00.906Zstephen weisshttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/stephenweiss
Jack<br></br>
I appreciate your response, with citations.<br></br>
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I have found, and I think you may agree, that when scientific arguments begin with name-calling ("jackass", "idiot", "lies", "evil") little is accomplished. Your efforts to elevate the discussion is not noted.<br></br>
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Nonetheless, I seems unlikely that the issue will be resolved in the current format, and I plan to comment no further in this thread. I anticipate no complaints will be forthcoming.<br></br>
After reading your linked…
Jack<br/>
I appreciate your response, with citations.<br/>
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I have found, and I think you may agree, that when scientific arguments begin with name-calling ("jackass", "idiot", "lies", "evil") little is accomplished. Your efforts to elevate the discussion is not noted.<br/>
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Nonetheless, I seems unlikely that the issue will be resolved in the current format, and I plan to comment no further in this thread. I anticipate no complaints will be forthcoming.<br/>
After reading your linked document,do want to make a couple closing comments.<br/>
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I am unimpressed with your two scientific "experts" cited in the last link. The greatest accomplishment of one is his formulation of an improved gun barrel coating. Not sure how that qualifies him as an expert on climate. Not clear how the other guy (Casey) is expert in anything, except that he formerly was govt contractor for NASA. And his comments about the price of oil are comically wrong!<br/>
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I have given you the courtesy of reading your links. I would only request that you Google "NASA Climate Change", which provides quite an interesting summary of the evidence in support of this concept. Many of these reports from highly reputable sources directly and clearly contradict your statements.<br/>
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Perhaps 97% of scientists are not in agreement with the idea that man is contributing to climate change. Maybe it's only 90 or 95%. But let us at least agree that it is not "idiotic". http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-10-19:2274639:Comment:6336132014-10-19T19:06:31.623ZRagnars Repohttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JohnOhorodnyk
<a href="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCn10YWsY1Q" target="_blank">http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCn10YWsY1Q</a><br />
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Looks like it's time for NASA to return to the mission bestowed upon them.
<a href="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCn10YWsY1Q" target="_blank">http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tCn10YWsY1Q</a><br />
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Looks like it's time for NASA to return to the mission bestowed upon them. Stephen, more proof that you…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-10-19:2274639:Comment:6335352014-10-19T15:44:34.990ZJack Strawhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JosephHawk
<p>Stephen, more proof that you were correct and as you said just "thousands of loonie scientists who are pushing this crazy notion that man might be capable of damaging the environment!"</p>
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<p>Source: <a href="http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/global-warming-hoax-facts/2014/10/17/id/601458/" target="_blank">http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/global-warming-hoax-facts/2014/10/17/id/601458/…</a></p>
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<p>Stephen, more proof that you were correct and as you said just "thousands of loonie scientists who are pushing this crazy notion that man might be capable of damaging the environment!"</p>
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<p>Source: <a href="http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/global-warming-hoax-facts/2014/10/17/id/601458/" target="_blank">http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/global-warming-hoax-facts/2014/10/17/id/601458/</a></p>
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<li>Leaked emails from global warming scientists state that the Earth is not warming, such as this one from Kevin Trenberth that states, “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty we can’t.”</li>
<li><a href="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2f4cc62e-5b0d-4b59-8705-fc28f14da388"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><u>Claude Allegre</u></span></a>, the founding father of the man-made global warming ethos, recently renounced his position that man has caused warming.</li>
<li>Proof is emerging that Al Gore and even President Obama have financially benefited from fueling the global warming hysteria (<a href="https://w3.newsmax.com/LP/Finance/CTI/Cold-Truth?dkt_nbr=ovgteqjq"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><u>click here for an internal report on this</u></span>).</a></li>
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<br/> It is becoming harder and harder for the global warming community to ignore some of the scientific data that show the Earth is not getting warmer . . . instead, the world is getting cooler.<br/> <br/> Which makes one wonder — why are we still spending $22 billion a year on global warming initiatives, and where is the money going? (<a href="https://w3.newsmax.com/LP/Finance/CTI/Cold-Truth?dkt_nbr=ovgteqjq"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><u>Click Here to Read a Controversial Report on This Topic.</u></span></a>)<br/> <br/> <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>Suggested Reading for You:</strong></span> A former White House adviser and NASA consultant reveals startling proof that the global warming faction is hiding the truth . . . and gets attacked. <a href="https://w3.newsmax.com/LP/Finance/CTI/Cold-Truth?dkt_nbr=ovgteqjq"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><u><strong>Click Here.</strong></u></span></a></div>
<div><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em><strong>Jack says: Move along folks, nothing to see here!</strong></em></span></div>
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<div style="border: currentColor; border-image: none; text-align: left; color: #000000; overflow: hidden; text-decoration: none; background-color: #ffffff;"></div> Jack Straw, Nice write ! …tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-10-19:2274639:Comment:6332932014-10-19T04:02:18.296ZNancy LeNauhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/NancyLeNau
<p>Jack Straw, Nice write ! Thank you....</p>
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<p>Jack Straw, Nice write ! Thank you....</p>
<p></p> RE: "thousands of loonie scie…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-10-19:2274639:Comment:6335212014-10-19T02:00:17.387ZJack Strawhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JosephHawk
<p>RE: "thousands of loonie scientists who are pushing this crazy notion that man might be capable of damaging the environment!"</p>
<p>Now, you "have hit the nail on the head".</p>
<p>Happy to see that you now recognize that it is just a minority of 'loonie' alarmists (assisted by con artists) behind the false religion of 'Climate Disruption'. They are not truly scientists; they are simply acolytes of a new cult/religion.</p>
<p>OBTW, the railroad industry (exemplified by Barak Hussein…</p>
<p>RE: "thousands of loonie scientists who are pushing this crazy notion that man might be capable of damaging the environment!"</p>
<p>Now, you "have hit the nail on the head".</p>
<p>Happy to see that you now recognize that it is just a minority of 'loonie' alarmists (assisted by con artists) behind the false religion of 'Climate Disruption'. They are not truly scientists; they are simply acolytes of a new cult/religion.</p>
<p>OBTW, the railroad industry (exemplified by Barak Hussein Obama'sr BFF, Warren Buffet) is pushing against the clean green Keystone XL pipeline, so that they can ship oil by dirty dangerous rail. Follow the money, it leads back to Obama, Buffet, Al Gore and their Wall Street friends and supporters.</p>
<p>The left have been conned .... I believe that the phrase they use to describe their supporters in private is 'useful idiots'.</p>
<p>Stephen, happy to see that you have been educated and now see the light and now support clean green natural gas ... fracing for America's future; a future that will support the middle class.</p>
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<p> </p> What are you trying to say in…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-10-19:2274639:Comment:6334162014-10-19T01:59:35.176ZRagnars Repohttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JohnOhorodnyk
What are you trying to say in this post? Nobody is trying to tax, levy fines, or cause "electricity prices to necessarily skyrocket" based on evolution or creationism. However the climate change lobby and our dear leader are.
What are you trying to say in this post? Nobody is trying to tax, levy fines, or cause "electricity prices to necessarily skyrocket" based on evolution or creationism. However the climate change lobby and our dear leader are. Lynn
Your concise, logical an…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-10-19:2274639:Comment:6332832014-10-19T01:38:54.157Zstephen weisshttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/stephenweiss
Lynn<br />
Your concise, logical and thoughtful comment is appreciated.<br />
Now I understand the issues.<br />
Clearly, the petroleum, coal and railroad industries have no financial incentive to challenge those thousands of loonie scientists who are pushing this crazy notion that man might be capable of damaging the environment!
Lynn<br />
Your concise, logical and thoughtful comment is appreciated.<br />
Now I understand the issues.<br />
Clearly, the petroleum, coal and railroad industries have no financial incentive to challenge those thousands of loonie scientists who are pushing this crazy notion that man might be capable of damaging the environment! I understand the debate regar…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-10-17:2274639:Comment:6329322014-10-17T10:30:31.210ZFrank Walkerhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/FrankWalker
<p>I understand the debate regarding validity of so-called "climate change".</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this debate is <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>FAR FROM</strong></span> irrelevant to our fortunes as in-the-shale landowners. Instead, the liberal loonies are using (nonexistent) "climate change" in efforts to crucify and impugn us and the natural gas lying beneath our lands. They fanatically, vigorously, and endlessly attack…</p>
<p>I understand the debate regarding validity of so-called "climate change".</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this debate is <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>FAR FROM</strong></span> irrelevant to our fortunes as in-the-shale landowners. Instead, the liberal loonies are using (nonexistent) "climate change" in efforts to crucify and impugn us and the natural gas lying beneath our lands. They fanatically, vigorously, and endlessly attack <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>ALL FORMS</strong></span> of fossil fuels.</p>
<p>And friends: Natural gas is a fossil fuel! When they attack fossil fuels they are directly attacking <strong>US!!</strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><br/></strong></span></p>
<p>This is not something anyone here can afford to forget or ignore. The "global warming" crackpots must be opposed at every turn.</p> Al Gore is getting rich off s…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-10-17:2274639:Comment:6330152014-10-17T05:35:45.887Zjason smithhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/jasonsmith
Al Gore is getting rich off spreading the myth of global warming, and he will not debate anybody with different views.
Al Gore is getting rich off spreading the myth of global warming, and he will not debate anybody with different views.