Need Help with Pipeline Lease - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-29T08:55:01Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/need-help-with-pipeline-lease?commentId=2274639%3AComment%3A541540&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=nolance,
Geberally it is an "in…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-02-02:2274639:Comment:5415402014-02-02T15:28:01.648ZMark McGrailhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/MarkMcGrail757
<p>lance,</p>
<p>Geberally it is an "intrastate" line.</p>
<p>lance,</p>
<p>Geberally it is an "intrastate" line.</p> Do you know if a 20" "trunk"…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-02-02:2274639:Comment:5414522014-02-02T13:39:17.224Zlancehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/lance362
<p>Do you know if a 20" "trunk" line is an interstate or intrastate line? And just how important is this to the company?</p>
<p>Do you know if a 20" "trunk" line is an interstate or intrastate line? And just how important is this to the company?</p> Keep in mind, there are only…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-02-01:2274639:Comment:5412952014-02-01T18:02:15.340ZBilly Bob Meekerhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/BillyBobMeeker
<p>Keep in mind, there are only two situations wherein you are obligated to accept a pipeline across your property. 1) If the line is an INTERstate line, the company may have right of eminent domain. But this does not seem to be the case in your situation. 2) If the pipeline is a connector line from a pad and your land is part of that pad's drilling unit, your lease may allow them to put a pipeline on your property to connect the pad to some other pipeline. </p>
<p>As far as I know,…</p>
<p>Keep in mind, there are only two situations wherein you are obligated to accept a pipeline across your property. 1) If the line is an INTERstate line, the company may have right of eminent domain. But this does not seem to be the case in your situation. 2) If the pipeline is a connector line from a pad and your land is part of that pad's drilling unit, your lease may allow them to put a pipeline on your property to connect the pad to some other pipeline. </p>
<p>As far as I know, except for these two situations, you have no obligation to accept any pipeline if you so choose.</p> Nancy, are you obligated to t…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-02-01:2274639:Comment:5411982014-02-01T16:55:14.726ZINVICTUShttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/rstlun
<p>Nancy, are you obligated to take that line?</p>
<p>How do you know you are obligated?</p>
<p>Are you leased and in a unit that has been declared?</p>
<p>Many questions that need to be answered to declare your position of control in this thing. For goodness sakes, don't sign anything without that Attorney's thorough review.</p>
<p>FYI, I've seen well over 1000' bores under wetlands and under ponds.</p>
<p>Its quite possible. they just don't want to spend the money.</p>
<p>There are cost…</p>
<p>Nancy, are you obligated to take that line?</p>
<p>How do you know you are obligated?</p>
<p>Are you leased and in a unit that has been declared?</p>
<p>Many questions that need to be answered to declare your position of control in this thing. For goodness sakes, don't sign anything without that Attorney's thorough review.</p>
<p>FYI, I've seen well over 1000' bores under wetlands and under ponds.</p>
<p>Its quite possible. they just don't want to spend the money.</p>
<p>There are cost targets and timeline deadlines that pipeline people must meet for dealing with their customers: The developer with the Pad, in the case of gathering lines. </p>
<p>There are geologic and construction restraints that can cause constructability issues. My experiences are now thus:</p>
<p>They want the line in as cheaply as possible and will, while acting as though the landowner has location approval, either go around the landowner via cheaper way, or, if it gets nasty, force the landowner to take the line.</p>
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<p>So, again, we must ask the question as to what our <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>legal obligation</em></span> is to play ball with these folks. Once that is clear we can formulate a plan for dealing with the pipeline proposal. Hope this helps.</p>
<p></p> As of right now, they are tel…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-02-01:2274639:Comment:5410722014-02-01T16:47:28.636ZNancy Shttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/NancySlusarczyk
<p>As of right now, they are telling me they can't put it where I would want it located. I have a creek that runs north to south near the back of my property, and the line they want to put in would also run north to south. This is going to be a single line, I believe its called a leader line, which will run from a pad that has yet to be installed connecting it into an existing pipeline that transports to processing plants in Cadiz area. I have a great attorney, Matt Warnock, with Bricker…</p>
<p>As of right now, they are telling me they can't put it where I would want it located. I have a creek that runs north to south near the back of my property, and the line they want to put in would also run north to south. This is going to be a single line, I believe its called a leader line, which will run from a pad that has yet to be installed connecting it into an existing pipeline that transports to processing plants in Cadiz area. I have a great attorney, Matt Warnock, with Bricker & Eckler out of Columbus. </p>
<p></p> Thank you for this link. It…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-02-01:2274639:Comment:5412912014-02-01T16:42:15.751ZNancy Shttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/NancySlusarczyk
<p>Thank you for this link. It is awesome. Loads of info in it. MarkWest is telling me they can't go near my wetlands or run the line parallel to my creek which runs north to south, but according to this document you sent me, the can go under it. The line they want to cross my land with would run north to south like the creek does. I just don't want it in the middle of my property. </p>
<p>Thank you for this link. It is awesome. Loads of info in it. MarkWest is telling me they can't go near my wetlands or run the line parallel to my creek which runs north to south, but according to this document you sent me, the can go under it. The line they want to cross my land with would run north to south like the creek does. I just don't want it in the middle of my property. </p> Billy Bob, I just send you a…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-02-01:2274639:Comment:5412892014-02-01T16:39:14.665ZNancy Shttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/NancySlusarczyk
<p>Billy Bob, I just send you a friend request. I see you also are located in Harrison County.</p>
<p>Billy Bob, I just send you a friend request. I see you also are located in Harrison County.</p> First of all, The regulatory…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-02-01:2274639:Comment:5411872014-02-01T12:39:19.445ZINVICTUShttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/rstlun
<p>First of all, The regulatory agencies are all overstressed now for qualified inspectors.</p>
<p>Further, the rules that govern the local, more unregulated lines (unregulated means LESS regulated or little practical oversight) are still being promulgated and defined.</p>
<p>Ohio EPA is nearly ineffective except for immediate spill response.</p>
<p>Army Corps of Engineers has federal jurisdiction over Wetlands but they are ceding much of the inspections for this to over worked state inspectors…</p>
<p>First of all, The regulatory agencies are all overstressed now for qualified inspectors.</p>
<p>Further, the rules that govern the local, more unregulated lines (unregulated means LESS regulated or little practical oversight) are still being promulgated and defined.</p>
<p>Ohio EPA is nearly ineffective except for immediate spill response.</p>
<p>Army Corps of Engineers has federal jurisdiction over Wetlands but they are ceding much of the inspections for this to over worked state inspectors (in Ohio, Its ODNR).</p>
<p>I can tell you that, when you call these agencies, they will give conflicting stories as to who's authority this or that issue is.</p>
<p>PUCO Has authority over PIPELINE SAFETY, But only for Gas Pipes. Liquid Pipeline safety is controlled by PHMSA (Google it).</p>
<p>Local gathering pipelines from Pads are the least watched of the pipelines, and where, in our personal experience, are the most prone for mischief, both in terms of negotiations, as well as installation and ongoing relationships.</p>
<p>I am a BIG fan of O/G Development and see the process as cutting edge of technology.</p>
<p>But Pipeline Companies are not to dealt with lightly.</p>
<p>First question any landowner need to ask: Am I REQUIRED to take this line?</p>
<p>Nothing else should be considered first including the money which can have a powerful, overwhelming influence over one's thinking.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>RUN, do not walk</em></span>, to the nearing GOOD O/G Attorney With experience (Both in writing Leases & MORE importantly on litigating (read: Enforcing)) the Lease language in court.</p>
<p>Personal experience as well as anecdotal experience by many I've spoken with who have dealt with our new friends/partners: The Midstream people.</p>
<p></p> Lance I wouldn't go any lower…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-02-01:2274639:Comment:5413192014-02-01T11:48:04.158Zst. croixhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/pullingdoubles
<p>Lance I wouldn't go any lower than $50 a foot for the 1st. line and at least the same for the 2nd. I'm not negotiating any more than 2 lines. Why should we take less for something in the future while the cost of everything is going up?</p>
<p>Lance I wouldn't go any lower than $50 a foot for the 1st. line and at least the same for the 2nd. I'm not negotiating any more than 2 lines. Why should we take less for something in the future while the cost of everything is going up?</p> Thanks for all the good posts…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2014-02-01:2274639:Comment:5412652014-02-01T11:24:22.502Zlancehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/lance362
<p>Thanks for all the good posts, very informative and enlightening... Is it standard procedure for Mark West to make 'counter offers'. My attorney sent a dollar figure to them for 1000 ft. ROW with 5 pipes. The first being a 20" trunk line. And then 4 smaller pipes. Is 40 and 30 a ft. too much to ask for considering they had to go around a land owner who refused to deal with them and ended up pursuing me...? This land man is very accommodating and willing to work with me on every issue... I'll…</p>
<p>Thanks for all the good posts, very informative and enlightening... Is it standard procedure for Mark West to make 'counter offers'. My attorney sent a dollar figure to them for 1000 ft. ROW with 5 pipes. The first being a 20" trunk line. And then 4 smaller pipes. Is 40 and 30 a ft. too much to ask for considering they had to go around a land owner who refused to deal with them and ended up pursuing me...? This land man is very accommodating and willing to work with me on every issue... I'll see what my lawyer says...</p>