I see nothing on this site pertaining to NY. Have NY landowners given up all hope? I also do not see any help topics on ‘starting a group’, ‘joining a group’, ‘asking a member to befriend them’ or ‘become a friend’, ‘reply to private members comments’. BIG MYSTERY!

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Thank you for the update...I havent kept up as I should have.  And I should have learned this long ago by some good old positive PR and education from the industry.  So should have most of the public and especially the politicans and the antis. No one is presenting the opposite view for us, and that's why there is no balance in NYS.  Wonder what else can be recovered from the frac fluid ??  Who is doing the research ?  Universities or just industry ?   Would like to know more about this.  Would promote some new good discussion about extraction in NYS....amongst the public, not just us like minded folk.  They are the ones calling the shots, not us.....Best we follow Granddad's sage advice and do something, not just carp.  Thank you Old Timer....can you give us some more positive news and info ??


What a breeze of fresh air assailed me when I discovered your postings!

You sir have the ability to look very deeply into a problem!

Far too many posters here can only reach a very shallow level of their thinking processes.  The best many of them can do if they disagree is to curse, damn, try to bully and put down and intimidate if they can.

In my lifetime I have seen this bullying tactic many times. It adds nothing to better a situation. It can only cause hatred which often goes out of control!

One very high point in my life concerns a boy of about 17 who was looking for his father in our small town. His mother who lived in Florida with the boy, constantly ran the father down as being nothing but a scuzzybutt.  But the boy wanted to find out for himself.  The boy, named Butch, managed to make his way to our town but his father had moved away. 

I needed a little help on my farm and consequently thru a series of events hired him on a day to day basis.  He was about as destitute as anyone could be. No money, ragged clothes, a really down and out teenager. But he had been taken in by the folks his father had lived with.

This boy...., well, I had reservations about him. He tried very hard the first day and did better each day afterward. I told him if he came whenever he was needed there would be a bonus for him. We paid him every day so he could have a little spending money. The third day he came, he had a fresh haircut and he had clothing that were not all ragged and full of holes.  I have to say here, I did not recognize him.

After the haying was finished I asked him he could stay on if he wanted to. There was other work he could help me with. He appeared one very hot blistering day and we went up on my hill to repair fence. We too many breaks. I asked him "What do you want out of life?"   He told quite a bit of his life. His mother was in the service and moved many times as her job required.

To make this story shorter , I will skip some details.

Many years later a car drove in my driveway. A young man got out and asked how I was. I did not recognize  him. "I'm Butch," he said.  Butch and I spent the afternoon visiting.   Butch said to me, "Bill, You are the only person who ever asked me what I wanted to do with my life! And I wanted to thank you for the time and interest you took with me back then!"

Oh and the bonus we promised him...….

At that time my wife and I had chickens and cows and a large garden.  After the haying was finished, my wife and I gathered up a large box filled with garden produce, a few gallons of buttermilk and a few pounds of homemade butter as well as extra eggs.

The lady was pleased with what Butch brought in. She did a lot of canning and baking. Butch broke down when he saw what his bonus consisted of.  He had been unable to provide much in the way of payment for this other family taking him in.

A very high point in my 85 years of life. one that I wont soon forget!

Granddad Ladd

Yes, I seem to go off track sometimes. But when I see someone deliberately start belittling and calling nasty names,  I like to look behind their behavior and comments and try to understand what took place that causes them to post these  personal and derogatory comments.

If you can make a positive or negative comment about the oil and gas industry, that's fine..... But leave the personal nastiness out of it!!

Old Timer seems to be well aware of how the industry is progressing as well as how the mechanics of it works.  Thumbs up to you Old Timer!

 And to you John S. Patane   I believe that you have an excellent insight to folks and what we all have to do to survive!

Granddad Ladd

john. while indeed there is good news,there is also some bitter medicine for NY. the macro picture for NG is good. i look at this historic fuel shift as entering early adolecence. after looking at e&p third qtrs. i see a bottom building and a turn towards maintainence drilling going forward. e&p's are entering undervaluation ushering in m&a activity over the next 24 mos. e&p's are divesting reserves in various financial forms to raise cash. service providers like Haliburton,Shlumberger etc. are scrapping machinery at rates seen at bottoms. there are indeed lots of interesting experimental energy related things coming out of petro universities, DOE and private industry, to lead me to believe another primary fuel shift could occur again even at my age. technology time is compressing and NG will certainly not live as long as coal. the bad news for NY is i believe politics and physics are soon to have a meet and greet. less comfort for alot more money will not be sustainable. problem is the boom is history and companys just aren't looking to expand, nor will they ever. the market will remain in factory production mode, in the areas they are already operating.


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