Oil/ Gas Rights vs Mineral Rights - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-29T06:04:48Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/oil-gas-rites-vs-mineral-rites?commentId=2274639%3AComment%3A367320&feed=yes&xn_auth=noNo. Very few people own the…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-11-20:2274639:Comment:3710042012-11-20T14:09:54.172ZJames T Monyakhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JamesTMonyak
<p>No. Very few people own the coal rights in many of the PA counties. However, I do own the mineral rights which include all other minerals except coal and that maybe is were they are able to tax me. </p>
<p>No. Very few people own the coal rights in many of the PA counties. However, I do own the mineral rights which include all other minerals except coal and that maybe is were they are able to tax me. </p> Both Clearfield & Butler…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-11-20:2274639:Comment:3711652012-11-20T13:22:49.287ZOliver Perryhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/OliverPerry
<p>Both Clearfield & Butler Counties have a tax on severed coal rights. Do you also own the coal rights?</p>
<p>Both Clearfield & Butler Counties have a tax on severed coal rights. Do you also own the coal rights?</p> I own Oil & Gas rights in…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-11-20:2274639:Comment:3711072012-11-20T04:19:02.358ZJames T Monyakhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JamesTMonyak
<p>I own Oil & Gas rights in Clearfield County & Butler County Pa alone and I am being taxed. I guess I will give the countys a call!</p>
<p>I own Oil & Gas rights in Clearfield County & Butler County Pa alone and I am being taxed. I guess I will give the countys a call!</p> Ireland, You are taxed on the…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-11-15:2274639:Comment:3678532012-11-15T15:01:02.201ZOliver Perryhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/OliverPerry
<p>Ireland, You are taxed on the coal rights alone. As mentioned, no tax on oil & gas rights anywhere in PA.</p>
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<p>Clearfield County also values coal property on a per acre basis, but does not differentiate <br/>between property classifications (Wooster 2010). The county levies a set per acre value of $47 <br/>per acre with a minimum of $790 levied in taxes for each coal property.</p>
<p>Ireland, You are taxed on the coal rights alone. As mentioned, no tax on oil & gas rights anywhere in PA.</p>
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<p>Clearfield County also values coal property on a per acre basis, but does not differentiate <br/>between property classifications (Wooster 2010). The county levies a set per acre value of $47 <br/>per acre with a minimum of $790 levied in taxes for each coal property.</p> I too own multiple OGM rights…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-11-15:2274639:Comment:3678212012-11-15T00:21:13.665ZJamesGhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JamesGillett
<p>I too own multiple OGM rights on different parcels in Warren Co. Pa. (Springcreek Twp). They are also severed from the surface. My OGM's are no longer taxed. In 2002, the PA Supreme Court ruled oil, gas and minerals could not be taxed at the local level. Only coal can be taxed. This is a situation peculiar to PA. (Durham Ruling) Perhaps your land is taxed for the coal. Here is a link to a recent story explaining this.…</p>
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<p>I too own multiple OGM rights on different parcels in Warren Co. Pa. (Springcreek Twp). They are also severed from the surface. My OGM's are no longer taxed. In 2002, the PA Supreme Court ruled oil, gas and minerals could not be taxed at the local level. Only coal can be taxed. This is a situation peculiar to PA. (Durham Ruling) Perhaps your land is taxed for the coal. Here is a link to a recent story explaining this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/region/2002-court-case-proved-windfall-for-shale-drillers-266017/">http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/region/2002-court-case-proved-windfall-for-shale-drillers-266017/</a></p> I own multiple OGM rights on…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-11-14:2274639:Comment:3679202012-11-14T23:55:37.318ZIrelandhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/DarcyIreland
<p>I own multiple OGM rights on different parcels in Clearfield Co, PA. They are severed from surface rights. I get taxed twice a yr on the rights.</p>
<p>I own multiple OGM rights on different parcels in Clearfield Co, PA. They are severed from surface rights. I get taxed twice a yr on the rights.</p> I mistyped it should be 2002.tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-11-14:2274639:Comment:3675072012-11-14T21:07:20.444ZJamesGhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JamesGillett
<p>I mistyped it should be 2002.</p>
<p>I mistyped it should be 2002.</p> Butler County,PA has a tax on…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-11-14:2274639:Comment:3678032012-11-14T21:03:16.933ZOliver Perryhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/OliverPerry
<p>Butler County,PA has a tax on coal rights if they are severed from surface rights. I wonder if the coal rights can be sold by sheriff sale for non-payment? </p>
<p>Butler County,PA has a tax on coal rights if they are severed from surface rights. I wonder if the coal rights can be sold by sheriff sale for non-payment? </p> Oil Gas and Mineral (OGM) rig…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-11-14:2274639:Comment:3676692012-11-14T20:13:56.802ZJamesGhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JamesGillett
<p>Oil Gas and Mineral (OGM) rights were stopped being taxed in 2000 in Pennsylvania due to a court ruling that declared the tax illegal. (double taxation) Prior to this ruling, not all townships in PA taxed OGM's. Therefore only some OGM's in certain townships could be potentially "bought" at a sheriff sale that had such a property tax. </p>
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<p>Oil Gas and Mineral (OGM) rights were stopped being taxed in 2000 in Pennsylvania due to a court ruling that declared the tax illegal. (double taxation) Prior to this ruling, not all townships in PA taxed OGM's. Therefore only some OGM's in certain townships could be potentially "bought" at a sheriff sale that had such a property tax. </p>
<p></p> Maybe, maybe not. If the sel…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2012-11-13:2274639:Comment:3673202012-11-13T12:50:56.729ZWilli Westhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/RonSmith
<p>Maybe, maybe not. If the seller (the owner who is delinquent) did not own the oil & gas rights, there's no way the buyer would acquire them. When the subsurface rights are severed from the surface, the subsurface owner could own everything (minerals, gas oil) or could just own, for example, the coal. If these rights are sold by sheriff sale, the buyer only gets what the owner had.</p>
<p>If the subsurface owner only had the gas & oil, nothing else, these rights would not be taxed…</p>
<p>Maybe, maybe not. If the seller (the owner who is delinquent) did not own the oil & gas rights, there's no way the buyer would acquire them. When the subsurface rights are severed from the surface, the subsurface owner could own everything (minerals, gas oil) or could just own, for example, the coal. If these rights are sold by sheriff sale, the buyer only gets what the owner had.</p>
<p>If the subsurface owner only had the gas & oil, nothing else, these rights would not be taxed and could not be lost by these means. PA state law says oil & gas rights cannot be taxed. It used to be different--I don't know when it changed. So, in a sale for taxes, the rights must include some mineral (coal, usually) and may, or may not, also include oil & gas. You'd have to go back to when the subsurface rights were severed to determine what was included.</p>