Surface lease - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-29T05:29:05Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/surface-lease?commentId=2274639%3AComment%3A822294&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThank you for the clarificati…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2020-02-14:2274639:Comment:8233752020-02-14T14:28:47.532ZHilltopHomehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/HillTopHome
<p>Thank you for the clarification.</p>
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<p>Thank you for the clarification.</p>
<p></p> I hope anyone who reads this…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2020-02-13:2274639:Comment:8235382020-02-13T22:52:03.482ZRAYMOND bAUMANhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/RAYMONDbAUMAN
<p>I hope anyone who reads this can tell the fact from fiction ( Conspiracy Theory) in Hale's response. The Real Estate Case only dealt with the fees to the Landman who was not a licensed RE agent. And had no bearing on the validity of the lease. As in all Real Estate deals if it is not in writing in the agreement it does not exist. Surface rights and compensation must and usually is in the lease..</p>
<p>I hope anyone who reads this can tell the fact from fiction ( Conspiracy Theory) in Hale's response. The Real Estate Case only dealt with the fees to the Landman who was not a licensed RE agent. And had no bearing on the validity of the lease. As in all Real Estate deals if it is not in writing in the agreement it does not exist. Surface rights and compensation must and usually is in the lease..</p> Not necessarily true on eithe…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2020-02-10:2274639:Comment:8233562020-02-10T16:20:55.986ZBW_Appalachiahttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/BWAppalachia
<p>Not necessarily true on either account. A lease to drill can be as forever as a ROW. Both go away without activity, both can last forever with activity.</p>
<p>A SUCA is neither of the above. The lease that is not a non-surface lease allows for use of the surface by the nature of dominant/survient estates, and a SUCA ensures that the landowner is compensated for such usage.</p>
<p>Not necessarily true on either account. A lease to drill can be as forever as a ROW. Both go away without activity, both can last forever with activity.</p>
<p>A SUCA is neither of the above. The lease that is not a non-surface lease allows for use of the surface by the nature of dominant/survient estates, and a SUCA ensures that the landowner is compensated for such usage.</p> A lease to drill will eventua…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2020-02-10:2274639:Comment:8233532020-02-10T16:07:50.007ZDanhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/Dang
<p>A lease to drill will eventually go away. A ROW agreement is forever. </p>
<p>A lease to drill will eventually go away. A ROW agreement is forever. </p> Sounds like the attorney is o…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2020-02-10:2274639:Comment:8234422020-02-10T13:08:11.656ZBW_Appalachiahttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/BWAppalachia
<p>Sounds like the attorney is on it. If they are aware that an agreement is needed, then there has to be some consideration on your neighbors side. SUCA stands for Surface Use Compensation Agreement, so that should be what she's presented with as a starting point.</p>
<p>Sounds like the attorney is on it. If they are aware that an agreement is needed, then there has to be some consideration on your neighbors side. SUCA stands for Surface Use Compensation Agreement, so that should be what she's presented with as a starting point.</p> Thanks Bw, The attorney did t…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2020-02-08:2274639:Comment:8232922020-02-08T14:28:43.563ZFRACIN MY CH4https://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/Chris212
<p>Thanks Bw, The attorney did tell my neighbor they would need to structure a contract if they wanted to use her surface but she did not mention being paid for such surface use . I will inform her just in case the attorney did not advise her of being compensated for any such surface use .</p>
<p>Thanks Bw, The attorney did tell my neighbor they would need to structure a contract if they wanted to use her surface but she did not mention being paid for such surface use . I will inform her just in case the attorney did not advise her of being compensated for any such surface use .</p> You seem to be aware of most…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2020-02-06:2274639:Comment:8229912020-02-06T11:57:03.527ZBW_Appalachiahttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/BWAppalachia
<p>You seem to be aware of most of the variables here, but oil and gas leases by default come with surface rights because the mineral estate is dominant to the surface. This is why you need explicit language to make a lease a non-surface agreement, as you have done. That being said, a default lease does not give the E&P carte blanche to do whatever they want with the surface. </p>
<p>If they are interested in using your neighbors surface for any reason related to the development of the…</p>
<p>You seem to be aware of most of the variables here, but oil and gas leases by default come with surface rights because the mineral estate is dominant to the surface. This is why you need explicit language to make a lease a non-surface agreement, as you have done. That being said, a default lease does not give the E&P carte blanche to do whatever they want with the surface. </p>
<p>If they are interested in using your neighbors surface for any reason related to the development of the unit, they will need to negotiate a SUCA and compensate her for that use. </p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p> Just received my property tax…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2020-01-30:2274639:Comment:8222942020-01-30T02:51:53.416ZFRACIN MY CH4https://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/Chris212
<p>Just received my property tax bill , taxes have gone up but not substantially. </p>
<p>I remembered your post regarding the rip off ROW contract that Cardinal gas services uses to steal surface rights. As soon as my neighbor mentioned a proposed pipelines, I let her know to be aware of scams that some companies are using to deceive land and mineral owners. </p>
<p> I appreciate your passion, time and energy for helping some landowners avoid making critical mistakes.…</p>
<p>Just received my property tax bill , taxes have gone up but not substantially. </p>
<p>I remembered your post regarding the rip off ROW contract that Cardinal gas services uses to steal surface rights. As soon as my neighbor mentioned a proposed pipelines, I let her know to be aware of scams that some companies are using to deceive land and mineral owners. </p>
<p> I appreciate your passion, time and energy for helping some landowners avoid making critical mistakes. </p>
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<p></p> Tell Your Neighbor not to wor…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2020-01-23:2274639:Comment:8223192020-01-23T03:49:18.745Z28clr6acuhbmvhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_28clr6acuhbmv
<p>Tell Your Neighbor not to worry about her land value. The county has more than likely ramped the value up to $9,000 per acre in their attempt to gather all Landowners holdings using the Real Estate Tax scam. That will end soon enough.</p>
<p>With Encino paying a 0.1% royalty and the county taxing as if we are getting a real royalty, the money would surely have run out. That's why God is stepping in, the counties/state would have owned it all.</p>
<p>You might volunteer to read Your…</p>
<p>Tell Your Neighbor not to worry about her land value. The county has more than likely ramped the value up to $9,000 per acre in their attempt to gather all Landowners holdings using the Real Estate Tax scam. That will end soon enough.</p>
<p>With Encino paying a 0.1% royalty and the county taxing as if we are getting a real royalty, the money would surely have run out. That's why God is stepping in, the counties/state would have owned it all.</p>
<p>You might volunteer to read Your Neighbors Right Of Way contract in case it's one of the Cardinal Gas Services (owned by Chesapeake Energy) contracts that are worded to steal the surface rights of anyone who has signed. CHK's greed is Biblical, they wanted it all.</p>
<p>Take a look in any Ohio County Recorders office on line records and find a Cardinal Gas Services ROW contract...."Cardinal Gas Services owns the surface rights into perpetuity", will be near the last sentence of the contract. I still have the copy the landman who was previously employed by US Homeland Security gave to me to sign. What an insult to my intelligence. Going from protecting US Citizens to stealing from them is inexcusable.</p>
<p>Prior to the Corruption Executive Order being signed, then the Ohio Supreme Court saving our fannies by upholding the Real Estate License requirement for O&G Negotiations, this was a major issue for Ohioans although no one has discussed this.</p>
<p>The ROW money for Ohio Pipelines has been going to Chesapeake in Oklahoma, instead of to the Citizens of Ohio.</p>
<p>Theft from any one Ohioan by an O&G company affects EVERY SINGLE OHIO CITIZEN, in Our Wallets, and in the Ohio Treasury.</p>
<p>The BRIGHT FUTURE that was promised then stolen from Ohio and the US will come back to us soon. No one can stop what is coming, no one.</p> that’s good stuff Ron thanks…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2020-01-21:2274639:Comment:8219072020-01-21T19:42:38.602ZFRACIN MY CH4https://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/Chris212
<p>that’s good stuff Ron thanks for the info. I will let my neighbor know about this but I think she was approached by a direct company representative, Regarding o&g lease. She contacted me over the wknd and said she did meet with her lawyer last week in which he informed her that if she is included in a well and receiving royalties , the surface lease language will remain in effect as long as the well is producing product & royalties. She also Found out there’s a pipeline…</p>
<p>that’s good stuff Ron thanks for the info. I will let my neighbor know about this but I think she was approached by a direct company representative, Regarding o&g lease. She contacted me over the wknd and said she did meet with her lawyer last week in which he informed her that if she is included in a well and receiving royalties , the surface lease language will remain in effect as long as the well is producing product & royalties. She also Found out there’s a pipeline project that has two proposed maps showing the lines running through her property. She said she knows her land value has depreciated with this surface lease attached but she felt good enough with getting two rounds of high bonuses paid out to help offset the depreciatedland value. I hope she is able to get a good I pipeline contract and a fair price. If I get these details I will start a separate updated pipeline contract discussion</p>
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