SWEPI/SHELL Right-of-Way Agreements in Western PA - Please Review Carefully - GoMarcellusShale.com2024-03-28T09:10:34Zhttps://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/swepi-shell-right-of-way-agreements-in-western-pa-please-review?commentId=2274639%3AComment%3A408003&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noDouglas, Esq., it Is unfortun…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-02-27:2274639:Comment:4080032013-02-27T04:25:24.069Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>Douglas, Esq., it Is unfortunate that land leases HAVE been signed...under 'duress' in some (MANY!) instances. THIS IS 'unchartered territory' concerning this DEEP WELL drilling.</p>
<p>Interesting thought - MANY individuals DID perhaps 'sign' (as they maybe PREVIOUSLY had - to 'make the $$$ to PAY their property taxes?...), thinking that they wouldn't get 'drilled', because they hadn't before. NOW one lady that replied to one of my writings *actually said that the G/O Co.'s* DID…</p>
<p>Douglas, Esq., it Is unfortunate that land leases HAVE been signed...under 'duress' in some (MANY!) instances. THIS IS 'unchartered territory' concerning this DEEP WELL drilling.</p>
<p>Interesting thought - MANY individuals DID perhaps 'sign' (as they maybe PREVIOUSLY had - to 'make the $$$ to PAY their property taxes?...), thinking that they wouldn't get 'drilled', because they hadn't before. NOW one lady that replied to one of my writings *actually said that the G/O Co.'s* DID 'know'/plan' what is happening now - ***YEARS AGO (since 1950's...?). Wouldn't that be deemed as 'intentional NON-disclosure' - and their INTENTIONALLY NOT disclosing to the 'landowner' (*essentially their 'partner') WHAT ***DEEP SHALE AREAS*** were being sought as well as WHAT was going to be taking place in acquiring these desired materials - deceitful? There WAS malicious intent & purpose to conceal & hide TRUE INTENTIONS OF the G/O Co.'s. I find it very cloaked. At least with Apple - you KNOW WHY they aren't going to 'spill their beans' of proprietary knowledge. The confusing matter here is 'intent' (the G/O Co.'s HAD PURPOSE & INTENT in this 'land grab') & CONCEALMENT 'affecting' an individual's PROPERTY'. People seem to 'accept/understand' Halliburton's 'PROPRIETARY KNOWLEDGE of FRACK CHEMICAL's (do they? -OR- do they 'just HAVE tO 'take it?!!!)...do YOU *'accept' this, sir?</p>
<p>***I PROPOSED that the 'G/O land-lease' limitations should be maintained - BUT limited to a 'drilling depth' of 1,200' (twelve hundred feet)...AND that the G/O Co. that DID 'sign' the lease DOES have *FIRST RIGHT of REFUSAL* to engage & then enter into a NEW LAND CONTRACT for the 'DEEP WELL' drilling depths of Marcellus +.... I can go on & on. I truly believe that individuals were 'horribly deceived/schiested - because the 'KNOWLEDGE of TRUE INTENT' by various G/O Co.'s was KEPT HIDDEN by the G/O Land Lease Agents - individuals WHO are ***REPRESENTATIVES of the VERY G/O Co.'s themselves. (I find the G/O Co.'s TRY to 'claim/say' that the LANDOWNER is at FAULT for 'falling' for any landleaseman's 'lies'. - WRONG! ***LAND LEASE INDIVIDUALS are ***DIRECT REPRESENTATIVES of the G/O Co.!</p>
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<p>You, sir - can 'untangle' better than most - the very 'webs of deceipt' that are being ATTEMPTED to be pawned off as being 'the norm/accepted protocol concerning INDIVIDUAL LANDOWNER RIGHTS. DECEIPT is WRONG. ***These LANDOWNERS are smart. They were dealt with in a 'slight of hand' manner that is from days of old. You must be able to 'get a better handle' on what has been BLATANTLY DECEIVED. God be with these fellow Americans - many farmers probably AMERICAN SOLDIERS, too!!! ***For SHAME!</p>
<p>As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness. Right is Right & wrong is wrong.</p> Mike Coles - as a Real Estate…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-02-27:2274639:Comment:4080622013-02-27T03:48:50.372Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>Mike Coles - as a Real Estate Appraiser (as well as a 'Family Farm Property Owner', correct?), you undoubtably understand much more of the COMPLEX LAND ISSUES needing addressed in ways that the 'appraisal industry' has not come 'up against' previously - or at least NOT in 'these ways', correct?</p>
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<p>Affecting Property Valuation Factors to think about:</p>
<p>1) TREES - while a 'pipeline ROW' or 'well site' are only to be 'x' in…</p>
<p>Mike Coles - as a Real Estate Appraiser (as well as a 'Family Farm Property Owner', correct?), you undoubtably understand much more of the COMPLEX LAND ISSUES needing addressed in ways that the 'appraisal industry' has not come 'up against' previously - or at least NOT in 'these ways', correct?</p>
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<p>Affecting Property Valuation Factors to think about:</p>
<p>1) TREES - while a 'pipeline ROW' or 'well site' are only to be 'x' in size - when the process begins, the TREES are NOT going to show the 'continual damage' due to 'ROOT COMPACTION' - people MAY (*will most probably*) LOOSE up to 25' more trees - on EACH SIDE of a 'pipeline right away -or- pad site...due to new 'sun/wind exposure' & root damage. Now HOW does one 'replace' 50 year tree growth? You can't - not in YOUR LIFETIME! (MAYBE your 'kids...but much more likely, your grandchildren!). THINK STRONGLY about that, friends. Once they are gone - they are GONE!</p>
<p>*People will pay more for a 'tree'd lot' of land - only to BUILD on the land & then just a FEW years after building - LOOSE the very trees that they *WANTED & spent good $ for! Think about THAT!</p>
<p>2) Artesian Wells - as well as ANY & ALL 'water sources'. The horrible thing that I keep reading that gets posted is concerning how the 'cleaning' of the water is 'good'. REALLY? It is just NOT SO! Realize this people - before it is TOO LATE! You can't 'drink the gas, the oil, OR the $$$ you'll get from it, BUT you will be able to tell IMMEDIATELY if your water doesn't TASTE RiGHT.</p>
<p>-------how about WELL WATER? (ALWAYS get your OWN water test done (***as WELL as requiring a COPY of the 'G/O Co. water test' - to compare! Also to have for 'BACK-UP for your future peace-of-mind!)</p>
<p>***Mike, what kind of 'value' to land is given due to WATER?...***MAY be something 'new' for the 'appraisal standards' of property values! How much is a 12 oz. bottle of water?...think about that.</p>
<p>3) How the LAND itself presently looks/appears - maybe took YEARS to get this 'LOOK'! ...You know - it seems to happen that G/O Co.'s seem to show x2 main sets of pictures - how it looks 'all torn up', but THEN how it MAGICALLY looks all 'pretty' again. NOT! - quite interesting! - HOW IS THAT? I guarantee you that SOME of these pictures are NOT of the 'same location'...and IF they are, that it may be *YEARS (8+) in between when the 'construction/tear up' of ground was done & the 'after picture' looking 'too nice for words'. *DON'T believe it, just doesn't seem to be 'right'.</p>
<p>***IF it is 'too good to be true, it probably IS!***Those pictures were probably taken about x10 years or so apart, quite possibly. PLUS, remember the trees...and then there's GRASS 'replacing' those trees. 'GRASS is NOT 'TREES'! *Dunsinane, Dunsinane! ***Don't sacrifice your FUTURE on the ALTER of the PRESENT.</p>
<p>Trees/Plants are like 'hair'. Hair grows from the roots, but plants grow from the tips...plants are NOT like you or I - nor kitties or doggies...we 'stop' growing; but TREE's & Plant's continue to grow EACH YEAR until they 'die'.... HOW does one 'replace' that? They can't! (not even with 'fast growing trees', like 'Poplars' ('junk trees'!) - they are messy & tend to attract lightening because they grow so quickly & tall. -- 'Quality Trees' - Oak, Maple, Beech, Cherry + take TIME. *Did you know that a Sugar Maple Tree can NOT be 'tapped' for sap until it is OVER 10" diameter (and THAT is the minimum!)...and that EACH YEAR the 'sap tap' must be moved to a DIFFERENT LOCATION'? YES. HOW long do you think it takes a Sugar Maple to get to a 10" caliper?...around 25 years +. *THINK about THAT. *IRREPLACEABLE* TIME! -- HOW does one COMPENSATE for THAT?...</p>
<p>3) Property Values - ***'Highest & Best USE'?...isn't THIS how 'appraisals' are best 'judged'?...WHAT happens to the 'highest & best use' IF you CAN'T USE the land for development - because of PIPELINES? - better get COMPENSATED, folks!...***your LAND is your GOLD!</p>
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<p>--- MIKE, HOW do you 'compensate' for an Artesian Well gone 'sour' on a piece of property? You can't, can you? How about good tasting WELL WATER? You all know that the Great Lakes are the #2 fresh water source of the ENTIRE planet, don't you? Did you know that GROUND WATER is the BIGGEST RESERVOIR - that 'IN THE GROUND' -- is held 90% of the EARTH'S fresh water supply?...and we TRAP the 'frack water CHEMICALS' IN THIS?!...and VALVOLINE 'shakes its finger' for wrongly disposing of ONE 'oil change' amount of fluid (?!), claiming that THAT CAN ***CONTAMINATE 1,000,000 (*ONE MILLION!!!)*** gallons of water! Amazing. ...so HOW do we deal with *FRACK CHEMICAL-LADEN WATER* that seeps & sits DEEP IN the ground - contaminated beyond any cleanliness & purity? TROUBLE.</p>
<p>*HOW does one 'compensate' for LAND value - once the MAIN VALUE has been 'stripped'?...PIPELINES potentially LIMIT 'future uses'. MANY things to consider, indeed.</p>
<p>As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness. THINK! - DON'T 'sacrifice your FUTURE' on the ***ALTER of the PRESENT***. He who has the 'gold' makes the rules, but he who has the LAND & the WATER will eventually make ALL of the RULES!</p>
<p>***Never forget -- Esau sold his 'birthright' for a 'bowl of soup'...DON'T YOU go 'selling your LAND RIGHTS' & end up with ROTTEN WATER & DISTRESSED LAND! (and ruined & unusable land! - for anything BUT 'farming'!)</p> Pea, did you listen to it? An…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-02-22:2274639:Comment:4061722013-02-22T13:43:53.764ZLance Nimmohttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/LanceNimmo
<p>Pea, did you listen to it? Any good points?</p>
<p>Pea, did you listen to it? Any good points?</p> WELL, Mike C. - you know, as…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-02-22:2274639:Comment:4058342013-02-22T05:04:51.112Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>WELL, Mike C. - you know, as WELL as I do that 'ALL information is GOOD information'. That there is something to glean from EVERYTHING that you read everywhere. YES - you are right in the FACT that these LANDOWNERS ***ARE*** honest & hardworking individuals. The 'time' of your father & mine is NOT 'today's time'.</p>
<p>Real Estate Appraisal IS tough, and as far as I understand, gotten quite a bit more regulated. How many hours of class AND THEN 'experience time hours' does one need…</p>
<p>WELL, Mike C. - you know, as WELL as I do that 'ALL information is GOOD information'. That there is something to glean from EVERYTHING that you read everywhere. YES - you are right in the FACT that these LANDOWNERS ***ARE*** honest & hardworking individuals. The 'time' of your father & mine is NOT 'today's time'.</p>
<p>Real Estate Appraisal IS tough, and as far as I understand, gotten quite a bit more regulated. How many hours of class AND THEN 'experience time hours' does one need to acquire their license nowadays?...and YES, in TODAY's day & age - the "I wish I knew then what I know now, if only I;d gotten some good advice."...'THEY' (G/O Co.'s - from the 'bottom up'...) wanted to 'button up' EVERYTHING DECENT within 'stone's throw' distance. They pretty much 'did it' - USING little 'local area' individuals whom the LOCAL LANDOWNERS ***TRUSTED***.</p>
<p>YOU would understand what I'm now going to convey - being of 'rural/farmland backround'.... ***Think about it: *HOW would anyone from Texas, or Oklahoma, or Idaho - or Russia, or India (Relliance...?), or China *be received (*into their homes) by these good folks* to TRY to lease their land?...***they WOULDN'T. ***NOR would the 'BIG G/O Co. boys'....</p>
<p>-----------*THAT is why they had the 'LITTLE LOCAL G/O Co.'s' ***button up*** the 'local LANDOWNER'S LEASES!!! (***PROBABLY someone that they even *KNEW* - the 'land lease man'!!!***)</p>
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<p>---These LANDOWNERS *ARE* SMART! THAT is *why they 'HAVE what they HAVE'...and they have been *schiestered out of their 'promised land'*.</p>
<p>It's just not right. No, it is not. </p>
<p>I MAY be being a bit presumptuous here & stretching a 'bit too far', BUT we ARE 'in America'...and as crazy as it sounds - there MAY be a solution to the 'falderal' that has OVERSHADOWED this area of the country. IF you would so please - read my idiotic thoughts that MAY give not just 'hope', BUT a solution to 'ailing American LANDOWNERS...if you would waste a bit of your precious time...(I too am a landowner.)<a rel="nofollow" href="http://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/feel-you-got-a-bad-g-o-land-lease-deal-you-probably-did-so?commentId=2274639%3AComment%3A405567&xg_source=msg_com_forum">FEEL you got a 'BAD' G/O Land-Lease Deal - you probably DID. - so, ...</a></p>
<p>I personally DON'T care IF 'people' (from what I can gather - G/O individuals...) TRY to make what I propose seem odd - a bit of a stretch...WELL - you go on now sometime & read for yourself...COULD be the solution to MANY of the problems mentally bore by various LANDOWNERS....</p>
<p>GRACE. - GG (As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness.)</p> THAT is reasonably for an ind…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-02-22:2274639:Comment:4061382013-02-22T03:38:01.504Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>THAT is reasonably for an individual's 'self-preservation/protection'...what is too confusing about that concept? and you're RIGHT, James - MANY people you think may be 'one way' - you go to read through their posts & begin to think something else...wolves in sheep's clothing. Thank you for wearing your Esq. tag.</p>
<p>***Something that I have proposed to the site itself - maybe James & Doug & others will perhaps have MORE PULL with Mr. Keith Mauck (Site Publisher)...it is…</p>
<p>THAT is reasonably for an individual's 'self-preservation/protection'...what is too confusing about that concept? and you're RIGHT, James - MANY people you think may be 'one way' - you go to read through their posts & begin to think something else...wolves in sheep's clothing. Thank you for wearing your Esq. tag.</p>
<p>***Something that I have proposed to the site itself - maybe James & Doug & others will perhaps have MORE PULL with Mr. Keith Mauck (Site Publisher)...it is THIS:</p>
<p>1) LANDOWNERS: 'name' stays in the ***'shale blue' tone***</p>
<p>2) G/O 'Connected' individuals (and ALL those related...): 'name' is shown in RED, or some other *DISTINCT 'color key'.</p>
<p> a) Lawyers - PURPLE</p>
<p> b) landmen - green</p>
<p> c) G/O executives/associates - GOLD</p>
<p> d) PIPELINE - brown</p>
<p>***THIS would HELP in AIDING individuals to FIND HELP with what they are really seeking.</p>
<p>What has changed, what has stayed the same....</p> Doulas, Esq. - are you locate…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-02-22:2274639:Comment:4060302013-02-22T03:27:50.076Z2z248p19vqnh9https://gomarcellusshale.com/xn/detail/u_2z248p19vqnh9
<p>Doulas, Esq. - are you located towards Williamsport? /GLAD that this is NOW'opening up' for individuals -- for it was pretty 'buttoned up/zippered up' tight...ALL information is GOOD information.</p>
<p>As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness.</p>
<p>Doulas, Esq. - are you located towards Williamsport? /GLAD that this is NOW'opening up' for individuals -- for it was pretty 'buttoned up/zippered up' tight...ALL information is GOOD information.</p>
<p>As one light lights another, nor grows less - so nobleness enkindles nobleness.</p> Thanks for that info, Keith.…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-02-17:2274639:Comment:4032092013-02-17T04:36:50.465Zpea eyehttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/peaeye
<p>Thanks for that info, Keith. I didn't mean to be rude. I guess I was annoyed to click on the subject and get no clue what the land mines in the SWEPI ROW were, that he was referring to. The radio show is news to me. I will click on his show when I get the chance.</p>
<p>Thanks for that info, Keith. I didn't mean to be rude. I guess I was annoyed to click on the subject and get no clue what the land mines in the SWEPI ROW were, that he was referring to. The radio show is news to me. I will click on his show when I get the chance.</p> Regarding Doug Clark not offe…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-02-15:2274639:Comment:4026522013-02-15T20:21:15.838ZKeith Mauck (Site Publisher)https://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/marcellus_shale
<p><span>Regarding Doug Clark not offering more detailed advice, I would encourage you to check out his weekly radio show, “All Things Marcellus™” which is available for free through iTunes and on his websites. There is also banner in the right side column of this website prmoting the show. Why is his banner there? Because he is a fan of this site and sponsors GMS which allows us to keep it going</span></p>
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<p><span>Regarding the show, he spent the majority of two hours on the radio…</span></p>
<p><span>Regarding Doug Clark not offering more detailed advice, I would encourage you to check out his weekly radio show, “All Things Marcellus™” which is available for free through iTunes and on his websites. There is also banner in the right side column of this website prmoting the show. Why is his banner there? Because he is a fan of this site and sponsors GMS which allows us to keep it going</span></p>
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<p><span>Regarding the show, he spent the majority of two hours on the radio shows of February 2</span><sup>nd</sup><span> and 9</span><sup>th</sup><span> of 2013 discussing the SWEPI ROW which he referred to in his post. There is a lot of useful and free information for landowners with much more detail through the radio show. I think you will find a lot of detailed and concrete advice on the radio show. I just wanted to put it out there in fairness of Mr. Clark that he does offer a lot more detailed advice for free through his radio show.</span></p> More important, RAP, is that…tag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-02-13:2274639:Comment:4018562013-02-13T22:02:15.873ZJames Brink, Esq.https://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/JamesBrinkEsq
<p>More important, RAP, is that a lawyer cannot establish an attorney/client relationship on a list serve. While general questions and answers can be lobbed back and forth, the legal advice must be reserved for specific instances dealing with real individuals. Since most of the people on this list serve use an alias, you are right when you say one never knows with whom one is speaking!</p>
<p>More important, RAP, is that a lawyer cannot establish an attorney/client relationship on a list serve. While general questions and answers can be lobbed back and forth, the legal advice must be reserved for specific instances dealing with real individuals. Since most of the people on this list serve use an alias, you are right when you say one never knows with whom one is speaking!</p> Blasphemy! LMFAOtag:gomarcellusshale.com,2013-02-13:2274639:Comment:4014052013-02-13T13:10:25.988ZLance Nimmohttps://gomarcellusshale.com/profile/LanceNimmo
<p>Blasphemy! LMFAO</p>
<p>Blasphemy! LMFAO</p>