This site like many others is only concerned about how much money can individuals, corporations and others extract money and power from each other.

Hours and hours are spent trying to figure how to word or use existing laws or rules to intimidate the other fellow to comply with the wishes of someone else.

But there is something much more important in having a great life then all the damn money in creation.

There is always someone who wants to have complete control of everyone else's life! Thoughts, lifestyle, where he can live, where he can go and what he can do.

What kind of a condition is that to live in?

Seems like human beings always create bigger problems then they solve! Oh sure some groups do live better and have just about all that they want. But if you look at it closely it is always at great expense of some other group of folks.

Bill L.

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Bill; I'm not sure at what level you are talking, but that's why I pushed for a 'no surface disturbance' clause in my lease. It seems like a 'win-win': the gas company can have all the gas it can extract, and it doesn't affect me or my property at all. Of course this is all theory, since they seem to have completely lost interest in my property...they likely will let my lease expire. Still, the lease money was nice...a big chunk of cash for no effort on my part.

I agree Bill, but what's up?

I am not talking about money, Marcellus or anything like that.

 I am  talking about living and life. To focus your entire thinking processes on how to fatten your bank account seems to me to be a very poor choice for enjoying a full life!

There are so many other things to look at as a person ages that will bring a happy life and productive life.

Sitting in a huge pile of dollar bills with the only thought anything else but acquiring more of them in a person's mind seems pretty stupid.

Bill L.

You are fully entitled to your opinion as to what constitutes a "full life".  The opinions of others differ.  Deal with it.  Other people are not "stupid" merely because they disagree with you.

Hi Frank, probably the word that I used, (Stupid) was not the proper word.  And maybe focusing entirely on only one thing, be it money, clothes or whatever seems to be cutting yourself, ( not you personally), short for a chance to experience many of the pleasures or gifts that are offered to a person.

If you have offspring that you really care for, which I do by the way, The choices I make today will affect the lives of these offspring of mine. For instance I could strip all of the timber from my property and leave nothing but bare earth for them.  And then spend all the proceeds for expensive gas guzzling automobiles. And leaving nothing to cover my final expenses. 

Some of the people I know who have lived very high on the hog, so to speak for a few years are now deeply in debt. Their friends no long come near since the money has dried up, They are constantly looking out their window to see if the sheriff has pulled up to their door.

Certainly having a  great income, lots of money and thinking it will continue is not the brightest  thought or most intelligent choice they ever had or made!

Oh and thank you for your reply.


“ Fill your life with as many moments and experiences of joy and passion as you humanly can. Start with one experience and build on it. ”

Exactly the idea that I am trying to get across Josie. But some folks are a bit to focused on one thing or another to really enjoy what comes their way.

Someone once said, "Dogs don't have much and are happy with they have. Cats, on the other hand don't know what they want but they want more of it!"

I think it was one of the TV Court Judges that said these words.

I read as many of your postings as I have time to get to. This is a pretty good site for landowners to read and learn about the oil and gas well industry.

I thank you much for your comments.

 Bill L.

I think that I understand what you mean, Bill. I am a Landman who has leased oil and gas property in WV, OH and PA, and have found that, with a few exceptions, the income that people have received, instead of being viewed as a blessing and a way to help their families and others, has left many people embittered because, "The Landman screwed me", 'The oil and gas company screwed me", My neighbor got more bonus than I did", "The company reduced, or is taking deductions from my royalty"...the list goes on and on.  Fortunately, I started with nothing and have been able to hang on to most of it.  As we near this time of Thanksgiving, it may be wise for all of us to give thanks for what we have - whether it be little or much.  You may have heard that you never see a U Haul behind a hearse, meaning we don't take anything with us.  Hopefully, those who have been blessed with income from oil and gas properties will use some of that income to bless others.  I personally know of a couple in Potter County who purchased a vehicle for their Pastor, who was in sore need of one, with part of their bonus money from a lease.  It touched my heart and I hope that it touches yours.  May God bless you all!

At first I was dying to grow up and go to high school
Then I was dying to finish high school and go to college
Then I was dying to finish college and start working
Then I was dying to get married and have children
Then I was dying for my children to grow old enough so I can go back to work
Then I was dying to retire
And now I am dying
And I suddenly realised
I forgot to live…


Bill L.

I agree with you on the macro scale of life.  That is not why this group was established or why I joined.  To me, this group is about getting treated fairly.  I worked hard throughout my life to create the kind of life you describe.  In the process I purchased property.  When the drilling craze started, I signed a contract.  While I expected both sides to honor the contract, I feel that has not happened.  I feel I have been robbed, just as if someone broke into my house and stole from me.  Add to that the arrogance of some of these gas/oil companies and it pisses me off!!

With all that said, this is a very small part of my overall "life".  I have much more important aspects of my life, the most important being family.


Martha, from Oklahoma:   I thoroughly enjoyed the posts I've been reading.  This group has a lot of insight obviously. 

In a deal like this leasing business, whether it be for pipeline or well drilling,  the land owner might think early on that he will get a great and lucrative deal. But after he thinks about it for a while,  he realizes that some important facts were not even considered.

None of us, I don't  care who you are, can possibly se the entire picture.  Oh sure you can see a small part of it where it alone concerns you personally. 

Each one of has different values.  The long haul trucker wants good safe roads and safe bridges to cross on his route.  Our area has had just about all the bridges upgraded in the county. Road surfaces have been repaved.  Many of the back roads have been widened, the ruts and potholes and rocks that tear out the bottom of even the  toughest trucks are passable by a new car safely.

I can remember when our own road had ruts a foot deep in places. One place had a spring break thru the middle of the road each year. It was only about a foot in diameter.  All the neighbors knew about it and either straddled it or went around it. One day a strange vehicle was in a great hurry. He hit that hole so hard that his car jumped high enough that I could see daylight under the bottom of his tires.  He continued to drive on but Ill bet he had major damage to his vehicle.

The point I am making here is exactly what Josie has posted above so well.

Appreciate what you have and appreciate what your forefathers sacrificed  so you could have a better life!

Make the best choices that you can for yourself and offspring!

 Bill L.


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