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Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on December 6, 2013 at 12:13pm

Good article.  You may want to read these threads:

http://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/current-rates-for-selling-...

http://www.gohaynesvilleshale.com/forum/topics/sell-my-mineral-righ...

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Permalink Reply by Ernest Scheyder on December 6, 2013 at 3:03pm

Thanks for this -- appreciate your help

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Permalink Reply by 015334grltd9m on December 6, 2013 at 6:58pm

Ernest,

You need to clarify selling minerals or do you really mean selling royalties, they are two different interests.

 

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Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on December 20, 2013 at 9:34pm

Insight: To flee Ohio oil boom, Amish cash out by selling royalties

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/insight-flee-ohio-oil-boom-181407238....

By Ernest Scheyder

ST CLAIRSVILLE, Ohio (Reuters) - Farmers in the close-knit Amish community who eschew electricity and most technology, are among landowners capitalizing on a new financial trend in the United States energy boom - selling decades of future oil and natural gas royalties for an immediate pile of cash.

Gulfport Energy Corp, Chesapeake Energy Corp, Anadarko Petroleum Corp and others have spent billions developing oil and gas reserves on land in Ohio's Utica shale formation - often by agreeing to give landowners years of royalties, or a cut of future production, in exchange for the right to drill on their land.

Some Amish, traditionalist Christians numbering about 280,000 across the United States, are sitting on prime drilling land in eastern Ohio, but many say the rapid development is encroaching on their pastoral way of life.

Already this year, several oil trucks have been involved in fatal collisions with Amish horse-drawn buggies in the region's narrow and winding roads.

So, many Amish are cashing out to escape the noise as their bucolic landscape of lush green hills becomes dotted with oil storage tanks and rumbles with the buzz of oil rigs.

"If all this traffic and development is crazy here today, what's it going to be like in three or four years?" Eli Byler, a member of an Amish community in Ohio's Guernsey County, said at his farmhouse, his 4-year-old grandson bobbing on his knee.

Byler, who mills walnut timber for furniture, decided earlier in December to sell half of his future oil and natural gas royalties to Flatiron Energy Partners, a private firm that specializes in those transactions.

Flatiron is paying Byler $221,195 cash, an amount that will be tax-free thanks to an arcane part of the U.S. tax code if Byler follows through on plans to relocate his family to Pennsylvania.

Byler's deal is part of a larger wave of companies like Flatiron paying cash up front for oil and natural gas royalty interests, deals these companies hope will provide their clients - typically family trusts and other wealth funds - guaranteed income for decades in the form of royalty checks.

At least 35 other Amish families plan to sell their royalty rights and make an exodus from the Buckeye State to parts of Pennsylvania or New York state with little or no energy development, said Byler, who plans to sell the full 53.3 acres he owns on the surface, including his homestead, in a separate deal.

Neighbors are joining Amish families in selling out.

"For many landowners, selling royalty rights is the best way to reduce their risk and take cash," said Austin Eudaly, Flatiron's vice president of acquisitions. "Selling is not for everyone, but for landowners in eastern Ohio, including the Amish, its a great option to have."

Thanks to the Flatiron deal, Byler also will not have to worry about the controversial trend of energy companies deducting transportation and other post-production costs from royalty checks, which Reuters reported on earlier this year.

With this latest development in the U.S. energy boom, the Amish and other landowners in the energy-rich states of North Dakota, Texas, Pennsylvania and Ohio have found a way to wring more cash out of their property than they initially received from energy companies.

'CONSISTENT YIELD GENERATION'

The number of companies buying Ohio royalty interests has risen to 10 from 2 since the beginning of 2013, pointing to the strong demand for this new type of investment from Wall Street.

"This is consistent yield generation," said Derren Geiger, who manages about $150 million in oil and natural gas royalty interests at the Caritas Royalty hedge fund. "It's a conservative way to play oil and gas."

Since 2004, the Caritas fund has booked an 18 percent average annual rate of return, helped largely by its holdings of oil and natural gas royalty interests in North Dakota, Texas, Ohio and other energy-rich states.

The royalty buyout offers are not ideal for everyone, however, something that Flatiron's Eudaly and his competitors acknowledge. Taking a $500,000 payout at 30 years old might not make sense if the potential exists for $2.5 million in royalty payouts during the next 40 years.

For older residents, the offers can be too much to refuse.

David Taylor owns about 80 acres in Ohio's Belmont County, a hilly ramble of a place soaked in natural gas. Taylor, who is not Amish, found himself more than $130,000 in debt to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service a few years ago and trying to pay it back wreaked havoc on his personal and professional life.

When Flatiron came calling, he jumped at the chance to sell his royalty interests, especially since little oil or natural gas had actually been drilled on his land.

"I thought the best thing I could do was get the money," said Taylor, who used it to pay off most of his debt. "This kind of made me square with the world."

Landowners also have the option to splice mineral rights.

Byler, the Amish landowner, is 50 and decided to keep half his mineral rights in his deal with Flatiron, hedging his bets should an oilfield sprout on his land.

Eclipse Energy Partners, owned by Encap, a private equity fund managing about $18 billion in assets, already drills for oil on Byler's land.

So far, though, Byler has received less than $3,000 since his initial lease was signed in 2000, partly because the Eclipse well doesn't go deep enough to tap the Utica shale formation.

Flatiron is buying Byler's rights on a hunch that it can negotiate a better lease deal with Eclipse when the company looks to drill deeper, Eudaly said. The current well taps relatively shallow deposits of oil that are there. The big money likely will come if the driller goes deeper into the Utica.

The potential exists, of course, for energy development to dry up in Ohio, as it has done so many other times in other places. Pennsylvania's natural gas development, for instance, slowed substantially three years ago when natural gas prices plummeted.

A possible bust, many Ohio landowners say, is what weighs on them when they decide to sell future royalty rights.

"I'd rather just take the money out of play," said James Coffelt, who owns a 4,600 acre ranch in Cadiz, Ohio.

GREATEST TOOL

Perhaps the greatest tool in Flatiron's toolbelt is not cash, but tax policy.

Using Section 1031 of the U.S. Internal Revenue Tax Code, landowners can use cash they receive for selling their oil and natural gas minerals to buy another piece of property, tax free.

Mineral rights count as property under Section 1031, which was first instituted in the 1920s and survived a Supreme Court challenge in the 1970s.

Coffelt has used Section 1031 to sell about $5 million in oil and natural gas royalties to buy more grazing land for his Angus cattle.

"My philosophy and strategy is to sell all my gas and oil," said Coffelt. "This is how we grow the ranch."

Byler is itching to close his Flatiron deal as soon as possible so he can roll the proceeds, tax-free, into the purchase of 211 acres in Clearfield County, Pennsylvania, where the low price of natural gas has led many energy companies to pull back on energy development.

It is a return home, of sorts, for Byler, who grew up near Erie, Pennsylvania.

He said wistfully that since moving to Ohio 18 years ago, "a lot of this area has changed."

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Permalink Reply by David Cain on December 21, 2013 at 1:44pm

"Taking a $500,000 payout at 30 years old might not make sense if the potential exists for $2.5 million in royalty payouts during the next 40 years."

I found this statement the most interesting in the entire article.  Based on this statement an offer of $10,000 per acre could be expected to produce around $50,000 over the life of the wells.  And based on what has been discussed about decline curves, a large portion of the $50,000 would be produced during the first few years after each well is drilled.  These amounts are staggering.

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Permalink Reply by 015334grltd9m on December 21, 2013 at 8:15pm

I think this journalist had a liberal bent when he went out to write this story, reads like he was looking for a negative slant.

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Permalink Reply by Ernest Scheyder on December 23, 2013 at 9:47am

I'm happy to discuss the article further, and was glad the article was received well by the eastern Ohio community.

ernest.scheyder@thomsonreuters.com

646-223-6119

Very truly,

Ernest

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Permalink Reply by 0i7okn54zwbdo on December 23, 2013 at 9:59am

Ernest,

We prefer to hold our discussions in a public forum here, so if you'll indulge us I think we'd all appreciate it.

"an amount that will be tax-free thanks to an arcane part of the U.S. tax code if Byler follows through on plans to relocate his family to Pennsylvania."

That is editorializing.  Period.  Calling the tax code arcane is your opinion and, while it's true that a lot of the tax code qualifies as such it is still an opinion.  

"Using Section 1031 of the U.S. Internal Revenue Tax Code, landowners can use cash they receive for selling their oil and natural gas minerals to buy another piece of property, tax free."

1031 exchanges exist for the same reason that capital gains taxes exist: they spur future investment and encourage people to keep pumping money into the economy rather than taking the myopic view of taxing it once and then going away.  So this gentleman will buy more land from which he will produce a taxable gain, in this case cattle.  Flatiron will take royalty payments from eventual production and they will pay taxes on that money.  Now you two different streams of revenue coming in from what is ostensibly one financial transaction on one piece of property.  Everyone wins and nobody got soaked.

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Permalink Reply by Ernest Scheyder on December 23, 2013 at 10:08am

Thank you for your comment, and I appreciate the dialogue.

The word "arcane" means, per the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, "secret or mysterious: known or understood by only a few people."

Given that few people know of Section 1031, are aware of it's use in the selling and buying of mineral & royalty rights, or know its origins going back to the 1920s and the Supreme Court case of the 1970s, the word seemed to fit the needs here well.

(I would imagine at family gatherings this holiday season very few relatives would know what 1031 is, or even know the concept of using proceeds from a real-estate transaction, tax-free, to purchase another piece of real estate.) 

We did explain in the story that 1031 income would be used to buy property elsewhere, so readers are informed about the tax situation.

Very truly,

Ernest

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Permalink Reply by 0i7okn54zwbdo on December 23, 2013 at 10:19am

Thanks for joining the debate.  Most journalists are unwilling to jump right in and, given some of the content within the comments sections on various online publications I understand why.  I suppose you're right about people's understanding of 1031 exchanges, but I'd argue very few people understand any part of the tax code, including how income tax is determined.  

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