Utica\Point Pleasant-are they one and the same?

at a recent odnr unitization hearing a neighbor attended, it was stated that the driller was going to be targeting the point pleasant formation in S\E Ohio. Not being familiar with point pleasant, I started doing some internet searching to bone up on it only to end up befuddled.

Are they two separate or just one and the same?

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Permalink Reply by Craig Cooper on September 1, 2016 at 3:09pm

Joseph,

I'm not aware of a bp miller well in Ashtabula county. I'm pretty sure most or all of bp's acreage was located in Trumbull county (prior to their exit). I retired from bp awhile ago so have no firsthand knowledge of their recent activities in the Utica / Point Pleasant / Marcellus.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 2, 2016 at 1:26pm

Thanks Craig.

Sage covered it for us just below.

Permalink Reply by Sage59 on September 1, 2016 at 9:59pm

Hi Joseph. The BP Miller well was located in Trumbull County on Kinsman Pymatuning Rd, across from Bronzewood Golf Course. Close to Ashtabula County and PA line. To my knowledge, it had a different classification for the type of well it was. The title seemed to mean for test purposes, but I can't recall the actual classification. I think it was plugged, and the property turned back over to the Miller's.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 2, 2016 at 12:55pm

Hi Sage59.

Thank you for all the pointers / info. !

Would like to know more of course.

Permalink Reply by Snort Widley on September 6, 2016 at 11:19am

Correct - P&A'd because there was no Point Pleasant or any other formation with hydrocarbons.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 6, 2016 at 1:57pm

I'm with you and Craig Cooper Sage59.

Ashtabula County and it's compliment of the Utica Point Pleasant lies north of Trumbull County the way I'm reading it all (along with you fellas).

Permalink Reply by John H on September 6, 2016 at 11:04am

It may be helpful to visit OilPro.com to view my post entitled "Why the Pt. Pleasant is Key for Utica Production".  I hope you find it useful

Permalink Reply by John H on September 6, 2016 at 11:05am

It may be helpful to visit OilPro.com to view my post entitled "Why the Pt. Pleasant is Key for Utica Production".  I hope you find it useful

Permalink Reply by Sage59 on September 7, 2016 at 11:15am

Hello Snort. It is good to hear from you again. I think that the Miller well was listed as a stratographic test well. (I probably butchered that spelling and classification.) I honestly don't mean it to sound confrontational, but do you mean no other formations with hydrocarbons exist at all in that area at any depth? Or do you mean that no hydrocarbons were present that were easily able to be extracted with technology available at that time? It was four years ago. The Utica does exist there, and is thick, by all other accounts.  Also, do you have any idea what layers they (not BP) are exploring in Quebec, Canada. I've read that it is the Utica formation. That is pretty far north. I realize that BP absolutely isn't coming back to Trumbull, and you've been correct in most of what you have told us. I appreciate your input whether it is good or bad for our area, it is all information and therefore useful. It seems like BP can't catch a break lately, as I read that the shale exploration in China didn't work out either. Working a deal with those folks would be a challenge to say the least. 

Permalink Reply by Snort Widley on September 7, 2016 at 12:49pm

There was 15' of actual Point Pleasant.  Five feet had 4% porosity which would flow oil. The Utica had some streaks of porosity but most of it was greater than 50% clay which is bad for long term flow.  Clays will tend close back up after a frac job or enough clay particles will move and block hydrocarbons from flowing into the wellbore.  The Trenton had no porosity.  We didn't log the Clinton sands so the Miller didn't add any new information about the shallow reservoirs.  We knew there was a risk in the Point Pleasant thinning and permitted the well as a strat test since forming a drilling unit is so expensive.  Our hope was to find an upside and then go back and create a drilling unit for a horizontal sidetrack.  15' is an economic 0 in these plays.

Permalink Reply by Sage59 on September 7, 2016 at 3:50pm

Thank you Snort. As a layman in the field of your expertise, I appreciate your knowledge and experience. As a resident of Trumbull county, I can only hope (along with others) that new technologies and techniques can open up our area. I have heard from other sources that fracking with water does not mix with our clay prone geography. I've also heard that paraffin was a problem. Neither of those play well with water. The disposal of water is something that the industry is going to have to grapple with for obvious reasons. The press is not good, and even the perception of harm will cause a true uphill battle for the industry. Momma don't want her home to shake rattle and roll, and you know the rest if Momma ain't happy. Maybe new waterless technologies will become more affordable, and stabilize that problem, and work with Trumbull county's clay problem. I realize that O&G companies have to go with the most affordable route, especially in these times, but Ohio will not put up with what Oklahoma has endured. Too many homes. Too many people. Right now Trumbull and Mahoning counties have become a popular dumping ground for fracking waste, and it seems with no local benefit attached. That won't be a sustainable situation. Give and take is a way of life, but doesn't work too well if unbalanced. I also have to wonder if our geography is so impermeable, and I don't doubt you that it is, where the heck is all that water and mixed in chemicals ending up?

Permalink Reply by Snort Widley on September 7, 2016 at 4:01pm

I actually think that States need to look into requiring energy companies to frac with produced water and inject less.  It doesn't help Ohio that they allow PA operators to inject in OH wells. 

The industry can't keep injecting into formations and not expect some mechanical reaction.  This is all going on much deeper than fresh water exists so let me be clear that all this scare about frac'n polluting fresh water is mostly a lie.

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