I went to the Madison meeting, it was mostly to explain the process of leasing and introduce Buckeye Mineral people. Interesting. Not much happening in Ashtabula yet though...
Found this link to the USGS Assessment of the Utica Point Pleasant Shale Play - that's all I've got for now - thought we would have seen the Ohio Geological Surveys updated map by now.
Thank you Joseph-Ohio. I live in Crawford county Pa, just across the border from you. I was hoping to gain some insight on the happenings by reading this message board. Range Resources has a test well drilled in the lower part of our county and another company is drilling another soon, plus seismic testing is about to begin. Other than that, I don't know anything for sure as unlike YOUR great state of Ohio, Pennsylvania doesn't put out many maps of anything in our area, I think they consider us the unimportant butt hole part of the state. I try to extrapolate and project from yours. Thank you. You guys are lucky, your state is taking this more serious than PA. all they care about is the Marcellus.
elliemae, i believe at the last meeting that they said that they wanted everyones 6 month agreement to end on the same day on june 1st so that meant to me that the deadline was january 1 so that peoples agreements were not expiring during negioations. imo
Might I ask how did Ashtabula County vote for Obama when some of you will possibly be considered as rich targets for Obama to tax if the oil boom comes through for you?
not to get into a political discussion at all , that is not why i am saying this , but i believe that the president is for the proper regulation so that the oil companies have to follow rules opposed to having free reign.
Buckeye Mineral Development will be having a meeting Thursday Nov, 15th at 7PM at the Middlefield Sale Barn located at 15848 Nauvoo Rd. This will be a sign-up meeting if you are interested in working with Buckeye, and Bob will also be bringing us up to date on recent developments in Ohio.
I am hearing that action is soon on the way. After the first of the year some things are gonna start picking up north. The head man on a drilling rig said evrythings gonna be picking up in the new year...... including Ashtabula County. Talks are also picking up with landowner groups.
Buckeye Mineral with Eastern Ashtabula Landowners Association will have a meeting December 4th 7pm at the Pymatuming Valley high School in Andover. Sign up material will be available.All are welcome to attend.
i couldn't attend the meeting with Buckeye mineral last night due to work issues. Can anyone give me a idea if anything new was presented to the group with regards to Ashtabula County. i have already signed but am interested in new input? thanks in advance>
Bob gave many examples of problems people in Trumbull Co. are having getting their titles clear before deadline. He and a gentlemen from Chicago Title could not stress it enough how important it is to make sure your title is clear of any old leases in advance. Also, that if you have a mortgage on your property that the bank is ok with a gas lease. If not you may want to refinance with a local bank that will approve of a lease.
I think it was a very good meeting but am still not convinced to sign up. Did I miss something? shouldn't Buckeye Mineral set a minimum on what we would accept on bonus money per acre? Shouldn't we have copy of the lease he's trying to sell? I know Bob Rae has done this before but I just don't feel comfortable signing up with them not knowing what we could get stuck with for what could turn in to a lifetime lease.
localized in what respect. only limited certain areas? Areas such as Cherry Valley,Dorset, Pierpont or farther to the west? I know south of rt.6 they got some leases with Blackridge.
Was not at meeting, but in regarding to the following comment by elliemae:
"He and a gentlemen from Chicago Title could not stress it enough how important it is to make sure your title is clear of any old leases in advance."
What exactly were they implying? Most chains of title of have some kind of lease attached to it at some point. In most cases these leases have clearly expired. Were they implying that even expired leases should be cleared? Often times this can be difficult and expensive to do, especially if companies will not "release"(because they're so backed logged) and the landowner has to resort to an affidavit of non-compliance or something of that nature. I just don't see how an old lease that has clearly expired can inhibit one's ability to lease. Any insight is appreciated.
It's clear if you have an old lease it better be properly released or you will have trouble. There are ways to do this even though the company might be out of business. It might be that the lease is invalid because the terms of the old lease have not been met. It looks like you still need to do a proper release. I found out when i did a conservation easement some time back that i needed to clear some old leases to get the easement to go through.
if you still have a mortgage that might cause trouble as well , as you will need the mortgage company to sign off in some cases. That should be easy to find out and take care of ahead of time don't be surprised if they want some $ to do it.
Some of this takes time to get cleared up and if you get a rejection letter you might get 60 days to clear up any problems. It it might take you longer than that to get clear and that's when you are in jeopardy with you bonus money.
Bob was vague at best. He did not specify an area. What I caught was that there are some areas of the Clinton/shallow wells that the seismic testing indicated have more potential. Assuming he (Bob) knows the whereabouts, as do multiple drilling companies. Could only hope there's more icing on the cake....
Brad, The gentlemen from Chicago Title said we may hire them direct to do all title work which would be cheaper than going through a lawyer and paying both of them.
He also said we may do it on our own if we had the time. But I don't know the process. Maybe someone else would like to chime in and help us out .
A title company, or yourself, can do certain things as it relates to researching your chain of title. However other things, such as an affidavit of forfeiture or an affidavit of non-compliance, require an attorney.....unfortunately. If O&G companies would just do their job and "release" expired leases like their suppose to, it would make life much easier and less costly for the landowner. It is frustrating that entering into a new lease could be held up by a stinkin lease that expired 20 years ago. I think most O&G companies are aware of the fact that there are a lot of expired leases out there that haven't been properly released; they enter into lease in-spite of this after performing their "due diligence". So as a landowner you have to ask the question, "Should I pay costly attorney fees to remove expired leases from my property, or should I simply let the O&G companies perform their "due diligence" and deal with any discrepancies at that point?" This short excerpt was from an Ohio law firms website.
"Many landowners also have problems getting a lessee to file a release of an expired lease, even though all parties agree the lease has terminated. Landowners should consider using Ohio’s lease forfeiture/cancellation statute, which allows the landowner to serve a certified letter upon the lessee seeking to declare the lease void. In the event the lessee does not file an affidavit opposing the lessor’s claim in the Recorder’s Office within 60 days of such notice, then the landowner has the ability to request the Recorder to stamp the lease forfeited by operation of law.
In the event the lease has expired more than five years ago, typically the landowner can file an Affidavit of Non Compliance setting forth the fact that the lease has expired. The Affidavit of Non Compliance is quicker than the lease forfeiture process discussed above, as it simply serves as evidence that the lease has expired but does not cancel the lease. Unlike the forfeiture process, the Recorder will not stamp the lease forfeited."
Anyone? I'm going to the Court House in Ashtabula County. Can anyone tell me what office to go to and what I have to do to start checking for old gas leases? Will there be anyone to help me or are you pretty much on your own? Thanks
Chicago Title in Jefferson does lease searches for a fee. There is also a local gas/oil lease attorney that can help with the removal of old leases, affidavit of noncompliance, etc.
I do not believe Chicago Title will clear your leases or file anything for you.From personal knowledge they just pull copies of all the O&G leases for your property and then give you their Opinion plus a stack of the copied leases. IA lot of work and money for a letter.
Go to an Attorney who knows what they are doing. They can look up ODNR info and have there staffeys do any leg work to proceed with the necessary legal paperwork to clear your lease if they can. It is a time consuming process waiting for the responses and filings needed to clear your property correctly.
I did mine at the first part of the year and now the leases were released by Enervest. They bought out approximiately 60+ pages of leases in 2011 and I wanted to make sure that when and if I do sign an O&G lease that I own the rights. I would rather get a check on the 89th day rather than a defect letter.
I'm not sure if this is what your talking about but I have seen people post something then delete it. If you look below at Ronarounds comment it looks to me like something has been deleted.
If there's a way to link to a comment at the Crawford County Group I can't figure it out.
So - go to the Crawford County Group and read the comments by a poster named Berk and find the post with the link to the report. Check out the rest of their comments during your visit - I found the Report and comments quite informative.
Got there earlier but can't link directly to your comment.
Tried to copy a shortcut to your link but when I brought it over to the Ashtabula County comments it took the form of a lengthy link directly to the Halcon Report.
Hello Joseph - Ohio
Usually hear a new discussion started by you. Just looking for some pearls of wisdom / hope for us in north east Ashtabula. My hope dwindles, my bitterness grows.
Joe
The only good news I've heard recently is that the Buckeye Mineral outfit is supposed to have something to present to the Eastern Ashtabula Landowners Association by June 30, 2013.
Douglas W
Could someone post a link to a map showing where the perceived or actual point pleasant formation runs in Ashtabula County? Thank you.
Oct 7, 2012
landlubber
I went to the Madison meeting, it was mostly to explain the process of leasing and introduce Buckeye Mineral people. Interesting. Not much happening in Ashtabula yet though...
Oct 7, 2012
Joseph-Ohio
Douglas W:
Found this link to the USGS Assessment of the Utica Point Pleasant Shale Play - that's all I've got for now - thought we would have seen the Ohio Geological Surveys updated map by now.
http://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/attachment/download?id=2274639%3A...
J-O
Oct 7, 2012
Joseph-Ohio
@ landlubber
We would like to see your closing sentence 'not much happening in Ashtabula yet though..." change to exactly the opposite !
Oct 7, 2012
Douglas W
Thank you Joseph-Ohio. I live in Crawford county Pa, just across the border from you. I was hoping to gain some insight on the happenings by reading this message board. Range Resources has a test well drilled in the lower part of our county and another company is drilling another soon, plus seismic testing is about to begin. Other than that, I don't know anything for sure as unlike YOUR great state of Ohio, Pennsylvania doesn't put out many maps of anything in our area, I think they consider us the unimportant butt hole part of the state. I try to extrapolate and project from yours. Thank you. You guys are lucky, your state is taking this more serious than PA. all they care about is the Marcellus.
Oct 7, 2012
elliemae82
Anyone know if their is a deadline to sign with Buckeye Mineral?
Oct 17, 2012
john p halloran
Oct 17, 2012
elliemae82
Thanks John, I'm going to try and catch next meeting.
Oct 17, 2012
brynmore
elliemae, i believe at the last meeting that they said that they wanted everyones 6 month agreement to end on the same day on june 1st so that meant to me that the deadline was january 1 so that peoples agreements were not expiring during negioations. imo
Oct 17, 2012
Billy Park Whyde
Might I ask how did Ashtabula County vote for Obama when some of you will possibly be considered as rich targets for Obama to tax if the oil boom comes through for you?
Nov 7, 2012
Ronaround
I ask the same question. he should of had 0 votes. and John Patterson also. hes against oil and fracking too.
Nov 7, 2012
brynmore
not to get into a political discussion at all , that is not why i am saying this , but i believe that the president is for the proper regulation so that the oil companies have to follow rules opposed to having free reign.
Nov 12, 2012
elliemae82
Anyone know of any meetings for Ashtabula Co. any time soon?
Nov 12, 2012
Roy Greig
Buckeye Mineral Development will be having a meeting Thursday Nov, 15th at 7PM at the Middlefield Sale Barn located at 15848 Nauvoo Rd. This will be a sign-up meeting if you are interested in working with Buckeye, and Bob will also be bringing us up to date on recent developments in Ohio.
Nov 13, 2012
Michael Kromer
I am hearing that action is soon on the way. After the first of the year some things are gonna start picking up north. The head man on a drilling rig said evrythings gonna be picking up in the new year...... including Ashtabula County. Talks are also picking up with landowner groups.
Nov 25, 2012
Dan
Buckeye Mineral with Eastern Ashtabula Landowners Association will have a meeting December 4th 7pm at the Pymatuming Valley high School in Andover. Sign up material will be available.All are welcome to attend.
Nov 28, 2012
Ronaround
i couldn't attend the meeting with Buckeye mineral last night due to work issues. Can anyone give me a idea if anything new was presented to the group with regards to Ashtabula County. i have already signed but am interested in new input? thanks in advance>
Dec 5, 2012
Rick
Picked up that the seismic testing in the area revealed that there still is some potential in the Clinton formation. Understood to be very localized.
Dec 5, 2012
elliemae82
Bob gave many examples of problems people in Trumbull Co. are having getting their titles clear before deadline. He and a gentlemen from Chicago Title could not stress it enough how important it is to make sure your title is clear of any old leases in advance. Also, that if you have a mortgage on your property that the bank is ok with a gas lease. If not you may want to refinance with a local bank that will approve of a lease.
I think it was a very good meeting but am still not convinced to sign up. Did I miss something? shouldn't Buckeye Mineral set a minimum on what we would accept on bonus money per acre? Shouldn't we have copy of the lease he's trying to sell? I know Bob Rae has done this before but I just don't feel comfortable signing up with them not knowing what we could get stuck with for what could turn in to a lifetime lease.
Dec 5, 2012
Daniel Rupert
Please advise how I can get a hold of Buckeye mineral @ (312) 659-4481, or post on this forum...THANK YOU
Dec 5, 2012
Rick
For Buckeye Mineral info, refer to the Blackridge chats (October 16 929 chat or around there).
Dec 5, 2012
brynmore
buckeye mineral development phone330-286-3930 fax 330-286-3945 address 7600 w south range rd salem oh 44460. email buckeyeshale@gmail.com
Dec 5, 2012
Daniel Rupert
Thanks Rick and brynmore...
Dec 5, 2012
Ronaround
Rick:
localized in what respect. only limited certain areas? Areas such as Cherry Valley,Dorset, Pierpont or farther to the west? I know south of rt.6 they got some leases with Blackridge.
Dec 6, 2012
Joseph-Ohio
HB 537 - An Intrusive And Obstructionist Bill being discussed in the Agriculture & Natural Resources Committee now.
Write the Committee Members and tell them to throw it out.
Read the Bill and see what you think.
This is a 'Red Alert' in my books.
Dec 6, 2012
Joseph-Ohio
HB 537:
Go to this link and read what's already been and being discussed:
http://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/hb-537-urbanized-area-in-w...
Dec 6, 2012
Joseph-Ohio
HB 537:
Kill the Bill.
Dec 6, 2012
Brad
Was not at meeting, but in regarding to the following comment by elliemae:
"He and a gentlemen from Chicago Title could not stress it enough how important it is to make sure your title is clear of any old leases in advance."
What exactly were they implying? Most chains of title of have some kind of lease attached to it at some point. In most cases these leases have clearly expired. Were they implying that even expired leases should be cleared? Often times this can be difficult and expensive to do, especially if companies will not "release"(because they're so backed logged) and the landowner has to resort to an affidavit of non-compliance or something of that nature. I just don't see how an old lease that has clearly expired can inhibit one's ability to lease. Any insight is appreciated.
Dec 6, 2012
Dan
It's clear if you have an old lease it better be properly released or you will have trouble. There are ways to do this even though the company might be out of business. It might be that the lease is invalid because the terms of the old lease have not been met. It looks like you still need to do a proper release. I found out when i did a conservation easement some time back that i needed to clear some old leases to get the easement to go through.
if you still have a mortgage that might cause trouble as well , as you will need the mortgage company to sign off in some cases. That should be easy to find out and take care of ahead of time don't be surprised if they want some $ to do it.
Some of this takes time to get cleared up and if you get a rejection letter you might get 60 days to clear up any problems. It it might take you longer than that to get clear and that's when you are in jeopardy with you bonus money.
Dec 6, 2012
Rick
Ronaround,
Bob was vague at best. He did not specify an area. What I caught was that there are some areas of the Clinton/shallow wells that the seismic testing indicated have more potential. Assuming he (Bob) knows the whereabouts, as do multiple drilling companies. Could only hope there's more icing on the cake....
Dec 6, 2012
elliemae82
Brad, The gentlemen from Chicago Title said we may hire them direct to do all title work which would be cheaper than going through a lawyer and paying both of them.
He also said we may do it on our own if we had the time. But I don't know the process. Maybe someone else would like to chime in and help us out .
Dec 6, 2012
Brad
A title company, or yourself, can do certain things as it relates to researching your chain of title. However other things, such as an affidavit of forfeiture or an affidavit of non-compliance, require an attorney.....unfortunately. If O&G companies would just do their job and "release" expired leases like their suppose to, it would make life much easier and less costly for the landowner. It is frustrating that entering into a new lease could be held up by a stinkin lease that expired 20 years ago. I think most O&G companies are aware of the fact that there are a lot of expired leases out there that haven't been properly released; they enter into lease in-spite of this after performing their "due diligence". So as a landowner you have to ask the question, "Should I pay costly attorney fees to remove expired leases from my property, or should I simply let the O&G companies perform their "due diligence" and deal with any discrepancies at that point?" This short excerpt was from an Ohio law firms website.
"Many landowners also have problems getting a lessee to file a release of an expired lease, even though all parties agree the lease has terminated. Landowners should consider using Ohio’s lease forfeiture/cancellation statute, which allows the landowner to serve a certified letter upon the lessee seeking to declare the lease void. In the event the lessee does not file an affidavit opposing the lessor’s claim in the Recorder’s Office within 60 days of such notice, then the landowner has the ability to request the Recorder to stamp the lease forfeited by operation of law.
In the event the lease has expired more than five years ago, typically the landowner can file an Affidavit of Non Compliance setting forth the fact that the lease has expired. The Affidavit of Non Compliance is quicker than the lease forfeiture process discussed above, as it simply serves as evidence that the lease has expired but does not cancel the lease. Unlike the forfeiture process, the Recorder will not stamp the lease forfeited."
Dec 6, 2012
elliemae82
Anyone? I'm going to the Court House in Ashtabula County. Can anyone tell me what office to go to and what I have to do to start checking for old gas leases? Will there be anyone to help me or are you pretty much on your own? Thanks
Jan 13, 2013
Mark Dolezal
Elliemae,
The recorders office and search under leases, most office are very helpful.
Jan 13, 2013
landlubber
In Ashtabula all the books are freely available but the staff is pretty busy. They will help. You need to have just some basic info to begin.
Jan 13, 2013
Jackie
Chicago Title in Jefferson does lease searches for a fee. There is also a local gas/oil lease attorney that can help with the removal of old leases, affidavit of noncompliance, etc.
Jan 13, 2013
Ronaround
rick:
thanks for expounding. i will assume that all the wells they are getting permits for are going to be for that zone depth.
Jan 14, 2013
Bill Simpson
elliemae82....
I do not believe Chicago Title will clear your leases or file anything for you.From personal knowledge they just pull copies of all the O&G leases for your property and then give you their Opinion plus a stack of the copied leases. IA lot of work and money for a letter.
Go to an Attorney who knows what they are doing. They can look up ODNR info and have there staffeys do any leg work to proceed with the necessary legal paperwork to clear your lease if they can. It is a time consuming process waiting for the responses and filings needed to clear your property correctly.
I did mine at the first part of the year and now the leases were released by Enervest. They bought out approximiately 60+ pages of leases in 2011 and I wanted to make sure that when and if I do sign an O&G lease that I own the rights. I would rather get a check on the 89th day rather than a defect letter.
Jan 14, 2013
Joseph-Ohio
@ Finnbear (or anyone else who knows the answer),
Why does this Ashtabula County site indicate recent activity but does not always allow access / viewing what the activity is / was ?
Happens regularly.
What gives ?
Jan 17, 2013
elliemae82
Joseph,
I'm not sure if this is what your talking about but I have seen people post something then delete it. If you look below at Ronarounds comment it looks to me like something has been deleted.
Jan 17, 2013
Joseph-Ohio
Thanks elliemae82.
Sounds plausible.
Comments are also activity (as opposed to Discussions) I guess.
Jan 18, 2013
Joseph-Ohio
Copied this shortcut from a Crawford County, Pennsylvania comment:
http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35533922?profile...
Found some very interesting maps there - check it out.
Feb 6, 2013
Joseph-Ohio
http://www.ohio.com/news/ev-energy-partners-negotiating-sale-of-103...
Just read this article attached to another post under General Shale Discussions.
Looks like EnerVest is holding on to it's 22,000 acres of leaseholds for now with the option to swap or sell later still on the table.
That to me translates into more delays.
Mar 3, 2013
Joseph-Ohio
http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35534058?profile...
Above link takes you to a Crawford County post that includes a link to a Halcon Report with new maps included.
Mar 21, 2013
Joseph-Ohio
Apparently the link included in my last comment takes you directly to the Report which was linked to the Crawford County post.
I'll post a link to the Crawford County groups discussion if I can in a few minutes.
Mar 21, 2013
Joseph-Ohio
If there's a way to link to a comment at the Crawford County Group I can't figure it out.
So - go to the Crawford County Group and read the comments by a poster named Berk and find the post with the link to the report. Check out the rest of their comments during your visit - I found the Report and comments quite informative.
Mar 21, 2013
Berk
Joseph-
scroll to the bottom...http://gomarcellusshale.com/group/crawford-county-pa
Mar 21, 2013
Joseph-Ohio
Thanks Berk.
Got there earlier but can't link directly to your comment.
Tried to copy a shortcut to your link but when I brought it over to the Ashtabula County comments it took the form of a lengthy link directly to the Halcon Report.
It works but not the way I expected.
Thanks again and good luck.
Mar 21, 2013
Joe
Usually hear a new discussion started by you. Just looking for some pearls of wisdom / hope for us in north east Ashtabula. My hope dwindles, my bitterness grows.
Joe
Apr 9, 2013
Joseph-Ohio
Hello Back Atcha Joe,
The only good news I've heard recently is that the Buckeye Mineral outfit is supposed to have something to present to the Eastern Ashtabula Landowners Association by June 30, 2013.
That's not too far off.
Other than that - nothing.
Keep the faith brother.
Good luck to us all.
J-O
Apr 9, 2013