I had Chesapeake(Mason/Dixon landman) approach me for leasing 10 acres in Chippewa around the end of July. $200/acre, then a week later he came back with $600/acre. I told him i'd wait and would want a fair number of changes in the lease if I do sign.
Chesapeake now has 1 approved well site and 3 others in the application process for our county, all in South Beaver Twp. I 'hear' (possible rumors) that there are a total of 6-7 well sites they are going to drill in Beaver County in the very near future. I believe ( but don't know) they are applying for the ability to put 6 wells on each pad. I suspect they will drill at least one well at each site to HBP the entire unit, or as much as possible, as a lot of these leases expire in the next 1yr or so. Things should be quite interesting in the near future.
Is Chesapeake approaching landowners directly, or is this through a negotiating group? I have 27.5 cares in Monaca (Center Township), south of the river. What/who is Mason/Dixon landman?
Chesapeak approached me 3 years ago and offered 300/12%. I told them to come back when they are serious. Range is offering 2500/17% out here in Hanover Twp. I just heard now Chesapeak is offering 3100/18% so I'm trying to find this landman and see what that's about.
I own 3 acres in beaver county, my parents own over 80. 6.5 years ago someone signed my parents to a lease that they received nothing for, I know this happend to alot of people. Recently someone from mason dixon said that our 3 acres was included in that lease.. I had to inform them that they were wrong, and that my husband and i bought the property from my parent 7 years ago, before the lease was signed. Now someone else from Mason Dixon is coming to talk to us about signing a lease. Couple things, 1 - what kind of offer should i expect. 2- I think my parents got screwed, and i think that the lease should be voided because it never stated the parcel numbers, and included property that they did not own..
I signed one acre in South Beaver about two months ago for $3,000 per acre and 17%. You should be able to do as good or better. Just don't sign the lease they give you, you need to use some addendums to the lease to protect from some of the things that need attention. You will have a hard time trying to get the first lease nulled, however it is worth talking to a gas attorney(a real one, not your average attorney) to see if it can be done. Good Luck!
Beaver County Borough of Industry Public Hearing on Chesapeake application
When
Wed, December 21, 6:30pm – 7:30pm
Where
Industry Borough Building: Midland-Beaver Road, Beaver County, PA (map)
Description
The Town Council of the Borough of Industry will hold a public hearing on December 21, 2011, at 6:30 p.m. for the purpose of receiving public comment on Chesapeake Energy's application for a conditional use permit. Chesapeake Energy is requesting conditional use approval for the construction of a drill pad and the drilling of wells on the Berovich property located along Engle Road.
The public hearing will be held at the Industry Borough Building, Midland-Beaver Road, Industry Borough, Beaver County, Pennsylvania.
alot going on in this neck of the woods. appreciate any comments shared on leasing with Chesapeake, or L.O.G., and how negotiations have gone, and if you are in a closed unit. thanks!
i have 10 acres in industry, and haven't signed yet. mt jackson group is setting 3000/17% gross as a strike agreement, while mason dixon rep is at 2000/15 net. i seen that mt jackson & chesapeake came to terms last month at 3150/17% gross in hanover, independence twp area.... anyone else still waiting in the industry / ohioville area?
The company I work with (Armstrong Search Associates -armstrongsearch.com) works with lawyers in and around Western PA. You can shoot me an email at david(at)armstrongsearch.com if you have specific questions.
Jerry, I know that chesapeake (CHK) just filed for a permit on the McRoberts farm in your area. If you know where the McRoberts farm is and you are in that rough area then it would be CHK, however they use Mason/Dixon for their landmen/women. I believe there are others leasing somewhere near your vicinity, but I don't know who that would be. If you approach them before they approach you they will feel that you are ready to sign whatever crappy lease they present you with. Don't sign anything quickly, do your homework if you haven't already.
Seems weird that no one has approached you yet. Are you sure you own the gas rights under you? Have any neighbors signed?
does anybody know who signed anew lease with range for the blasco unit in hanover townhip? land man made it sound like every body just signed but most every body we talked to was on a old 5 year lease also any body got info on what markwest is doing in regaurds to the pipe line coming off of the blasco unit?
I don't know anything about the Hanover Twp region, sorry. I'm not sure you are talking about the same pipeline or not, but MarkWest is putting in something like 50 miles of pipeline for Sunoco coming from the Cracker plant down S Pa and joining it with an existing line on the N side of the Ohio River.
Hello, We live in Brighton Township, and are seeing activity in many place around us. Is there a site that one can access to see if where wells are going to be drilled or a site that would inform us of how the parcels of land are divided? We seem to be just out of reach and thus far, that means no royalties. Thank you.
The Swamp School is offering a wetland hydrology indicators class at the Beaver County Conservation District office next week. If you are interested please check out our website: swampschool.org
Understand your wish for a hearty recommendation, but a piece of advice ... understand what you're asking for. Taking for granted an online recommendation as the ultimate endorsement can invite less than reliable info. Hopefully not on this site, but one can't be sure.
Get a copy of Penn State's pamphlet on Negotiating Pipeline and ROW Leasing. (Check @ local Extension Office.) Read through it to understand the whole picture ... easy reading ... then when you speak with an att'y you'll have an idea just how knowledgeable this person is, and if you want to continue the conversation.
The lawyers that have negotiated good leases for several groups and individuals are Jake Polochak and Koe Morascyzk. Their site is: http://www.washingtonpalawyer.com/
Be careful, G&O law is a speciality, unless the lawyer has a lot of experience, avoid them. Find a lawyer thast has done this successfully, numerous times ... ask for a list of references, clients, and make some calls. You paying for their education can be extremely costly.
Larry: While I don't know you, I agree with the names you have thrown out there. I personally know of manywho've benefited from their expertise. I just like to have pertinent educational materials on hand when speaking w/knowledgeable people on any subject, so I can speak intelligently! It's an inherited weakness ... :)
I started reading in 06 while dealing and later suing O&G over their lease (and losing). In the two years of court dates I learned more than I ever wanted to know about leases and the gas business. But it warned me about them and the importance of knowledge. I read and study just to try to keep up, but they are like trying to catch a greased snake in a dark room, they keep changing the rules of the game. The "wellhead" royalty vs. net royalty is just their latest. Read, talk, discuss. It is your best hope of not getting totally taken, but remember President Clinton's statement when dealing with them..."It depends what is is."
Thanks for the info Larry and Janice... Have you guys seen good results for individual landowners with the representation of Mr. Morascyzk for O & G litigation?
Don't know directly about their litigation skills, but considerating their skill at negotiating leases, I would hazard a guess that they are way ahead of most lawyers and are well prepared to represent someone. Don't be afraid to talk to Joe or Jake, they are straight shooters.
Todd, In South Beaver I saw the actual numbers from the 2007 vertical wells that were drilled by O+G and Ergon. If memory serves me I believe the marcellus was 40 feet thick or so. Yes they were disappointed with the thickness, but who really knows what lies there in the shale. I was just told that the Noss well in Hanover Twp was flared and there was too much liquids (oil or NGLs not sure) to burn off and it was running down the flare tower. They actually trucked some of it out. Not sure if this is true though.
Thanks again Craig. I will check with the website that you listed in order to get the completion reports for the McMasters and Noss wells for the thickness as well. Have the Blasco wells been drilled yet in Hanover TWP?
Got a call from Seitel - seismic survey to begin around Hardins Run Road area 7-17/7-18 (this week!!).
Great news although I'm still hoping to hear my CHK lease has been transferred to Range...
I understand someone is coming around getting permission to sysmetic testing on private properties. Are property owners entitled to a fee for this? My dad is in his 80's and has property in Green Twp. They ask him for permission with no offer of any money.
Secondly, the pipe line is in but I have not heard when they will put the Noss well in operation. When they drilled it they said it exceeded their expectations, I would think they would want to re-coop their investimate.
People have gotten token payments for systemic.. $5/acre crossed. There is always money to seal a contract. Always get something for everything they do. They take at every opportunity.
George, I live in Greene Township. Seitel is coming to my farm this Thursday. I have Not received a check yet but was told they pay $5.00 per acre. God Bless and Good Luck... This company seems very respectful. We shall see....
Everybody needs to stick together!! Tell them u want 7000 per acre an 20% Roy. No deductions!! That's what my neighbors an myself agreed too! We have just a little over 50acres! If everyone sticks together we will all get that kind of money
Hello, Has anyone heard of any drilling prospects in Brighton Township in the Greek Catholic /7 Seven Oaks area? Also, when a lease is sold to another Company, is the lease holder notified? Thanks for any information.
B Jones, you should start a new discussion above with this question as not all read the comment walls.
I'm pretty sure, but not certain, Seven Oaks had a deal brewing some years ago then they decided not to lease. So you won't see any drilling happening on their property any time soon.
NO the leaseholder isn't normally notified to my knowledge. You need to watch your property documents online at the BC website every so often to see what all is going on with your lease.
Rich, I agree landowners should stick together but... You might well get 7K/acre and maybe 20% as well at some point in time in the future, but don't count on getting no deductions. In my opinion anyhow.
I have 90 acres in Beaver County and penn Energy is putting wells on the property next to mine and want to use my property for an access road. Does anyone know what the growing rate is ?
Landowner
craig
Sep 9, 2010
Landowner
craig
Chesapeake now has 1 approved well site and 3 others in the application process for our county, all in South Beaver Twp. I 'hear' (possible rumors) that there are a total of 6-7 well sites they are going to drill in Beaver County in the very near future. I believe ( but don't know) they are applying for the ability to put 6 wells on each pad. I suspect they will drill at least one well at each site to HBP the entire unit, or as much as possible, as a lot of these leases expire in the next 1yr or so. Things should be quite interesting in the near future.
Here's to Chesapeake finding really wet gas!
Jan 26, 2011
Landowner
Brad Emmer
Sep 15, 2011
Landowner
Jason N
Oct 9, 2011
Landowner
tammy
I own 3 acres in beaver county, my parents own over 80. 6.5 years ago someone signed my parents to a lease that they received nothing for, I know this happend to alot of people. Recently someone from mason dixon said that our 3 acres was included in that lease.. I had to inform them that they were wrong, and that my husband and i bought the property from my parent 7 years ago, before the lease was signed. Now someone else from Mason Dixon is coming to talk to us about signing a lease. Couple things, 1 - what kind of offer should i expect. 2- I think my parents got screwed, and i think that the lease should be voided because it never stated the parcel numbers, and included property that they did not own..
Any thoughts
Dec 15, 2011
Landowner
craig
Tammy,
I signed one acre in South Beaver about two months ago for $3,000 per acre and 17%. You should be able to do as good or better. Just don't sign the lease they give you, you need to use some addendums to the lease to protect from some of the things that need attention. You will have a hard time trying to get the first lease nulled, however it is worth talking to a gas attorney(a real one, not your average attorney) to see if it can be done. Good Luck!
Dec 15, 2011
Landowner
craig
They are flaring the Rolling Acres well tonight(12/15/2011), possibly for awhile. It is worth a drive out and a look see and to hear it!
Dec 15, 2011
Landowner
nick
Wednesday, December 21
6:30pm
Beaver County Borough of Industry Public Hearing on Chesapeake application
When
Wed, December 21, 6:30pm – 7:30pm
Where
Industry Borough Building: Midland-Beaver Road, Beaver County, PA (map)
Description
The Town Council of the Borough of Industry will hold a public hearing on December 21, 2011, at 6:30 p.m. for the purpose of receiving public comment on Chesapeake Energy's application for a conditional use permit. Chesapeake Energy is requesting conditional use approval for the construction of a drill pad and the drilling of wells on the Berovich property located along Engle Road.
The public hearing will be held at the Industry Borough Building, Midland-Beaver Road, Industry Borough, Beaver County, Pennsylvania.
alot going on in this neck of the woods. appreciate any comments shared on leasing with Chesapeake, or L.O.G., and how negotiations have gone, and if you are in a closed unit. thanks!
Dec 16, 2011
Landowner
tammy
Dec 16, 2011
Landowner
nick
i have 10 acres in industry, and haven't signed yet. mt jackson group is setting 3000/17% gross as a strike agreement, while mason dixon rep is at 2000/15 net. i seen that mt jackson & chesapeake came to terms last month at 3150/17% gross in hanover, independence twp area.... anyone else still waiting in the industry / ohioville area?
Dec 16, 2011
Landowner
craig
Are there any good lawyers?
Seriously though, I do not have one to recommend. Look around and friend up folks here that might give you a lead. Good Luck!
Dec 16, 2011
David
The company I work with (Armstrong Search Associates -armstrongsearch.com) works with lawyers in and around Western PA. You can shoot me an email at david(at)armstrongsearch.com if you have specific questions.
Feb 7, 2012
David
We work with landowner groups, assisting in title and opinion work. You can shoot me an email at david(at)armstrongsearch.com for specific queries.
Feb 27, 2012
Landowner
Todd
Range Resources: Triple play in Marcellus
http://blogs.star-telegram.com/barnett_shale/2011/03/range-resource...
Mar 2, 2012
Landowner
Jerry Corbin
Who is leasing in Darlington Twp. ? I have yet to sign. Any ideas ?
Mar 2, 2012
Landowner
craig
Jerry, I know that chesapeake (CHK) just filed for a permit on the McRoberts farm in your area. If you know where the McRoberts farm is and you are in that rough area then it would be CHK, however they use Mason/Dixon for their landmen/women. I believe there are others leasing somewhere near your vicinity, but I don't know who that would be. If you approach them before they approach you they will feel that you are ready to sign whatever crappy lease they present you with. Don't sign anything quickly, do your homework if you haven't already.
Seems weird that no one has approached you yet. Are you sure you own the gas rights under you? Have any neighbors signed?
Mar 2, 2012
Landowner
mark p brletich
does anybody know who signed anew lease with range for the blasco unit in hanover townhip? land man made it sound like every body just signed but most every body we talked to was on a old 5 year lease also any body got info on what markwest is doing in regaurds to the pipe line coming off of the blasco unit?
Mar 3, 2012
Landowner
craig
I don't know anything about the Hanover Twp region, sorry. I'm not sure you are talking about the same pipeline or not, but MarkWest is putting in something like 50 miles of pipeline for Sunoco coming from the Cracker plant down S Pa and joining it with an existing line on the N side of the Ohio River.
Mar 3, 2012
Landowner
Todd
Shell to Locate Multi-Billion Dollar Ethane Cracker Plant in Monaca...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/industries/apnewsbreak-shell... This should help negotiations!
Mar 15, 2012
Landowner
DM
Anyone know of the status of the McMichael wells? Independance Township under Range??
May 10, 2012
Landowner
B. Jones
Hello, We live in Brighton Township, and are seeing activity in many place around us. Is there a site that one can access to see if where wells are going to be drilled or a site that would inform us of how the parcels of land are divided? We seem to be just out of reach and thus far, that means no royalties. Thank you.
May 24, 2012
Oil/Gas Pro
Marc Seelinger
Hello,
The Swamp School is offering a wetland hydrology indicators class at the Beaver County Conservation District office next week. If you are interested please check out our website: swampschool.org
Oct 11, 2012
Janice L. Hancharick
Understand your wish for a hearty recommendation, but a piece of advice ... understand what you're asking for. Taking for granted an online recommendation as the ultimate endorsement can invite less than reliable info. Hopefully not on this site, but one can't be sure.
Get a copy of Penn State's pamphlet on Negotiating Pipeline and ROW Leasing. (Check @ local Extension Office.) Read through it to understand the whole picture ... easy reading ... then when you speak with an att'y you'll have an idea just how knowledgeable this person is, and if you want to continue the conversation.
Jan 14, 2013
Landowner
Larry Livengood
The lawyers that have negotiated good leases for several groups and individuals are Jake Polochak and Koe Morascyzk. Their site is: http://www.washingtonpalawyer.com/
Be careful, G&O law is a speciality, unless the lawyer has a lot of experience, avoid them. Find a lawyer thast has done this successfully, numerous times ... ask for a list of references, clients, and make some calls. You paying for their education can be extremely costly.
Jan 14, 2013
Janice L. Hancharick
Larry: While I don't know you, I agree with the names you have thrown out there. I personally know of many who've benefited from their expertise. I just like to have pertinent educational materials on hand when speaking w/knowledgeable people on any subject, so I can speak intelligently! It's an inherited weakness ... :)
Jan 14, 2013
Landowner
Larry Livengood
I started reading in 06 while dealing and later suing O&G over their lease (and losing). In the two years of court dates I learned more than I ever wanted to know about leases and the gas business. But it warned me about them and the importance of knowledge. I read and study just to try to keep up, but they are like trying to catch a greased snake in a dark room, they keep changing the rules of the game. The "wellhead" royalty vs. net royalty is just their latest. Read, talk, discuss. It is your best hope of not getting totally taken, but remember President Clinton's statement when dealing with them..."It depends what is is."
Jan 14, 2013
Landowner
Todd
Thanks for the info Larry and Janice... Have you guys seen good results for individual landowners with the representation of Mr. Morascyzk for O & G litigation?
Jan 14, 2013
Landowner
Larry Livengood
Don't know directly about their litigation skills, but considerating their skill at negotiating leases, I would hazard a guess that they are way ahead of most lawyers and are well prepared to represent someone. Don't be afraid to talk to Joe or Jake, they are straight shooters.
Jan 14, 2013
Landowner
Todd
OK, thanks Larry. I will talk to them.
Jan 14, 2013
Landowner
Todd
Question: What is the thickness of the Marcellus in western Beaver County?
Jan 17, 2013
Landowner
craig
Todd, In South Beaver I saw the actual numbers from the 2007 vertical wells that were drilled by O+G and Ergon. If memory serves me I believe the marcellus was 40 feet thick or so. Yes they were disappointed with the thickness, but who really knows what lies there in the shale. I was just told that the Noss well in Hanover Twp was flared and there was too much liquids (oil or NGLs not sure) to burn off and it was running down the flare tower. They actually trucked some of it out. Not sure if this is true though.
Jan 18, 2013
Landowner
Todd
Thanks again Craig. I will check with the website that you listed in order to get the completion reports for the McMasters and Noss wells for the thickness as well. Have the Blasco wells been drilled yet in Hanover TWP?
Jan 20, 2013
Landowner
Todd
FYI: the Marcellus is 30 ft thick in Hancock County, WV.
Jan 20, 2013
Landowner
Jason
Great news although I'm still hoping to hear my CHK lease has been transferred to Range...
Jul 14, 2013
Landowner
Todd
That's good news Jason that we're finally getting some action nearby! :)
Jul 14, 2013
Landowner
Larry Livengood
Hope you end up with anyone but Chesapeake. Haven't had one positive experience with them since they took over the O&G leases.
Jul 15, 2013
Landowner
George Roberts
I understand someone is coming around getting permission to sysmetic testing on private properties. Are property owners entitled to a fee for this? My dad is in his 80's and has property in Green Twp. They ask him for permission with no offer of any money.
Secondly, the pipe line is in but I have not heard when they will put the Noss well in operation. When they drilled it they said it exceeded their expectations, I would think they would want to re-coop their investimate.
Sep 24, 2013
Landowner
Larry Livengood
People have gotten token payments for systemic.. $5/acre crossed. There is always money to seal a contract. Always get something for everything they do. They take at every opportunity.
Sep 24, 2013
Landowner
Nancy LeNau
George, I live in Greene Township. Seitel is coming to my farm this Thursday. I have Not received a check yet but was told they pay $5.00 per acre. God Bless and Good Luck... This company seems very respectful. We shall see....
Sep 24, 2013
Landowner
Todd
200 Members for the GMS Beaver County forum!
Here We Go!
May 24, 2014
Landowner
craig
I was thinking the same thing with all the new member notices.
May 24, 2014
Landowner
Brad
May 25, 2014
Landowner
Rich
Jul 18, 2014
Landowner
B. Jones
Hello, Has anyone heard of any drilling prospects in Brighton Township in the Greek Catholic /7 Seven Oaks area? Also, when a lease is sold to another Company, is the lease holder notified? Thanks for any information.
Jul 18, 2014
Landowner
Todd
Has anyone else been contacted by Range in Hanover or Greene TWP's?
Todd
Jul 18, 2014
Landowner
craig
B Jones, you should start a new discussion above with this question as not all read the comment walls.
I'm pretty sure, but not certain, Seven Oaks had a deal brewing some years ago then they decided not to lease. So you won't see any drilling happening on their property any time soon.
NO the leaseholder isn't normally notified to my knowledge. You need to watch your property documents online at the BC website every so often to see what all is going on with your lease.
Jul 18, 2014
Landowner
craig
Rich, I agree landowners should stick together but... You might well get 7K/acre and maybe 20% as well at some point in time in the future, but don't count on getting no deductions. In my opinion anyhow.
Jul 18, 2014
Landowner
B. Jones
Thanks Craig for your reply. What is the 'BC website' . Barb
Jul 18, 2014
Landowner
craig
Barb, the Beaver County website for searching records is :
https://www.searchiqs.com/pabea/Login.aspx
Login as Guest.
Jul 18, 2014
Landowner
Debbie Baranowski
Aug 7, 2014