Ashtabula County, OH

Where do you go to/look up the lease signing information? Is there one page that lists this info or do you have to look at a specific landowner.

What is the WWW info and other page info to do this?

I know that Wishgard is hot and heavy on the lease signing ( I have been contacted twice since Jan/12 but I have not heard or saw anything from ALOV yet.

If you go to the Ashtabula County Recorder's website - http://cotthosting.com/ohashtabula/LandRecords/protected/SrchQuickN...

in the field where it says last name/firm name type Wishgard and hit enter, you will see all of the memo of leases they have recorded since last year.  There is quite a few in Ashtabula county, not as many in trumbull.

Thanks for this info. I notice some of my neighbors on there (all Amish).

I know first hand that they were all hurting for money and in dire financial need.

I see the word Wishguard again. Has anyone you know or seen a check paid by Wishguard in Ashtabula  county? I keep hearing about the leases but they have been signing for well into early 2010. i just keep asking myself are they getting the 1600 plus they are offering? thanks!

I did hear that sometime in April the first people that signed should be getting paid, will see...

For the fun of it, I just added up all of the Wishgard acreage in the 435 leases they've recorded so far in Ashtabula.  The total was approx. 12,800 acres, which really isn't very much considering the size of Ashtabula County (roughly 450,000 acres).  Wishgard's acreage is very scattered which limits its marketability.

From my vantage point, the county's big acreage is committing to Bob Rea of Buckeye Mineral (successor to ALOV) with the help of the folks from the Eastern Ashtabula Landowners Assoc.  The nice deal that ALOV just pulled off in Trumbull County really solidifies Bob's credentials...  and it makes the naysayer Wishgard look really bad.  My gut says Buckeye Mineral will probably be representing more than 50,000 acres in Ashtabula by the summer.  Patience is the key.

Check out NELA numbers.  They are bigger than you think. Thanks. Shell will end up being a player in this

mike kromer

   how would one check nelas numbers? i thought by going to the nela meeting that no one was going to be signed until a year or so from now?

i wonder if now from reading to march 28 article in trumbull tribune about alov and bp maybe getting a deal going for $3900 / acre it will slowdown the other leasing  companies offering considerably less?  maybe the oil companies are going to be in ashtabula sooner than we think.

Brynmore.... NELA has roughly 23,000 acres signed.

i was informed that the ALOV , Trumbull group will be getting paid in oct. 2012. from BP. i would be glad to get 3900.00 up here in Ashtabula...

mike , i thought you were refering to the ammount of leases nela had on record at recorders office, that 23000 acres that nela has is that in ashtabula county alone? thanks

does anyone know roughly how many acres are going to be held by production(HBP) in ashtabula county?

not sure if its all in Ashtabula. With BP entering the shale play does 2 things. It brings another player in and will spur competitors. Also the 3900 an acre will set a floor with prices. They will go higher.

I thought Wishgard set the floor?

If Wishgard is garbage why do they have 400 leases in Ashtabula County alone.   If ALOV can pay in October 2012, thats great.  I find it hard to believe that they can sell the "junk properties" to a driller for $3900.  How likely is it that those acres get tied to a pooling unit and really receive royalties?  I still hear that ALOV's driller will cherry pick what they want and leave the junk behind.  How many of ALOV's original group has been paid.

last April 2011 Wishgard signed leases. they claim 120 business days. Who has been paid? Today is march 30th. 2012. 

then the claims of 120 days should stop. i talked with them at one time, I did not hear anything about waiting for anything, just 120 days.

Exactly, John...I've asked several times for Wishgard reps to post ANY of their leased properties in Ohio where Wishgard paid the landowners BEFORE an O & G company had reached large leasing agreements in that area...so far, ZERO examples!

As far as Wishgard "leasing" more than 400 properties in Ashtabula County, NONE of those are actually leased until the landowner gets paid.  Those filings in the Recorders Office are just Memorandum of Lease records...shows that there is SOMETHING there when records are checked, but DOESN'T show whether or not there is a valid lease.  Check around on this site...several posts about Wishgard NOT paying for the "lease", but landowners not being able to lease with anyone else since Wishgard drags it's feet filing a Release with the Recorder's office...

Earliest Wishgard leases I can find in Ashtabula County were from October of 2011...since the 120 BUSINESS days to pay specified in the leases translates roughly 180 ACTUAL days, Wishgard hasn't had to pay anything - yet!

Have all participants in ALOV's first group gotten paid?

No clue, Susan...but as I said in a different thread, ALOV says it signs a separate agreement with the O & G company that states that unless ALL unencumbered properties in a group get signed and paid, then NONE of the group leases are valid.  Whether or not this document exists, I don't know...I've never seen it.  Wishgard, however, has never even said that all their leases must be accepted. 

As I said, there are MANY posts throughout this site where landowners with clear title signed on with Wishgard, yet were not paid within the specified time.  I have yet to find one such post from ANY of the past ALOV group members...

LMAO!  Welcome back, Adam!

Same as before, you twist everyone's words around to suit your (Wishgard's) needs!  I never, EVER said Wishgard hasn't paid out on leases they signed landowners to...THIS is what I ACTUALLY said: 

"As I said, there are MANY posts throughout this site where landowners with clear title signed on with Wishgard, yet were not paid within the specified time."

That, and my other comments in this forum, simply means that Wishgard has not always paid (or HAD to pay yet)...

I agree with you about owners in other groups not always getting paid (perfect example is the attorney group in PA last year that had HUGE problems with just this!), but my EXACT words said that I know of (and have seen NO examples in this forum or any other) NO ALOV group members not getting paid!

Now that I've made THAT clear, maybe you can tell Ashtabula County residents on here just what Wishgard is going to tell landowners who show up at the Wishgard landgrabbi...I mean leasing!...meeting at St. Mary's Church in Orwell next week.  Maybe about how much better landowners who signed with Wishgard in Trumbull County did with Wishgard than they did with ALOV...even though most ARE going to get 2300 dollars an acre less!  Even a meager landowner such as I with my 7 acres realizes that that would translate to a net loss of FIFTEEN THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED dollars, in my situation.  WHAT, exactly, would that 16,100 dollars have bought me over the ALOV deal?   :-D

Ouch Adam......hope you have a better price to offer at your meeting......like 150% more than what you've been offering. 

Oh wait, I forgot about the wall that goes down 10,000 feet on the Ashtabula/Trumbull line.  Ashtabula is still unproven ground.  We better take what we can get.

What is the reason that this time around, ALOVE needs more time to pay bonues - I thought I saw October, 2012.  That is about 7 months away.  Did it take that long with their first group.  Am I under the wrong impression that not everyone in the 1st group of ALOV got paid.  Some did and some didn't?

I would guess that 84,000 acres worth of land records will take a while to research/verify by the driller.

The long pay date is simply what ALOV was able to negotiate with BP...as were all the other changes in this lease from prior leases they negotiated.  If it was the best ALOV could get, then that's what they have to present to groupmembers...it's now up to the members to decide whether or not it's good enough...

@Susan - "Am I under the wrong impression that not everyone in the 1st group of ALOV got paid."  Not arguing that all ALOV groupmembers from past groups have gotten paid...but just saying that I have yet to hear of or see a posting from anyone who hadn't (except for those who had title/existing lease issues with their land).  Could you post references where you've seen that ALOV members didn't get paid, please?  I'd like to have it for future reference...  Thanks!   :-)

I don't have hard evidence, you know how rumors are on this site.  I get your point about the time frame for ALOV to get paid this time around.  I guess I am just thinking that not everyone that signed with Wishgard prior is naive or greedy.  Maybe falling on hard times, people couldn't wait.  There are pros and cons to each side.  Its too bad we get into name calling and derogatory remarks from landowners, lease flippers alike, instead of an information exchange.  I wish the best to everyone.

I've heard that only one individual in Ashtabula County has been paid by Wishgard? 

No problem, Susan!  I don't think any of the landowners who have signed with Wishgard are greedy, and prefer to think of them as uninformed rather than naive.  There are always pros and cons on positions on this site...I've just so far not seen ONE benefit to signing with Wishgard rathering than joining a reputable group or just waiting a while to consider leasing...

As far as the arguments between site members, almost ALL of them have involved Wishgard reps!  Those between Adam and I are a perfect example, and they would never happen if Adam accepted facts as facts and, instead of telling people that they're "wrong" or outright calling them liars, used facts to support his positions and statements.  About a month ago, there was a site member who said he was an agent for Wishgard somewhere in northern Ashtabula County posting on here...he never guaranteed Wishgard would pay all who signed, he didn't twist facts or statements by others, he was completely professional in his approach to dealing with others.  I've had NO problems with him whatsoever!   :-)

Everyone on here is trying to do the right thing. GETTING PAID.... all of us are trusting these companies in hopes of GETTING PAID. Time will tell who made the right decisions. I hope I did right by signing up with NELA.  I hope all of us are able to reap what God has put under our land.

I also signed with NELA and think it was a good decision just purchased 25 acres and will also sign it with them they are doing a good job and not high pressure.

Dukester.... Glad to hear that. I have 48.5 acres and a 5.5 acre lake which they have asked me if I would sell water for the fracking. Brett, the geologist is extremely knowledgeable. All the staff got their stuff together. my neighbor signed as well.

Can someone please give to me the contact information for NELA. Thank you...

www.nelashale.org

mike kromer

  how does it work as far as selling water to drilling company? is it by the gallon,time frame or is it unlimited. what type of money are they talking for the use?

If you have a good lease and water is not included I guess you could ask what ever you want. I did see a few numbers at$5per thousand. I don't think you will get rich.  The joke is around here as i have 50+ acres of water that's how I'm going to make the big money...

Contact me at Miller Realty 440-576-2811 and I'll arrange a time for a NELA rep to speak with you, show you the program, and answer your questions, all at no obligation.  You decide if the program is right for you.

Dan..... Wheres your Lake? Whats the name of it?

Brynmore...... Looking anywhere at 2 to 3 cents a gallon. But..... at a million gallons per leg. Then 4 legs........ 4 million gallons.