$$ for temporary water line

What is the going rate for a temporary waterline going across a property.  I was offered $2 per linear foot.  Anyone getting any more than that?

 

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Permalink Reply by evan on March 3, 2015 at 8:35am
Where you located. I got 5 per foot and would never and I mean never do it again.
Permalink Reply by Janice L. Hancharick on March 11, 2015 at 5:46am

Evan, just curious.  What went wrong?

Permalink Reply by evan on March 11, 2015 at 7:17am
The contractors they have working for them are ridiculous. Always blocking road ,Trash everywhere around the pump where they have to sit 24 hours a day. They started throwing trash across the road in the weeds. Road is shit now. Was supposed to bring stone while ground was froze, now it's like driving in a sponge. Now they have their line laying beside the road so I can't close my gate. Been that way for a month. Other than that it's tremendous.
Permalink Reply by Kevin in Belmont County on March 3, 2015 at 9:25am
$5.00 a foot for one year, and make sure that's for each line. Also just a suggestion if pumps going to be close to your home, make them put sound walls up around pump to cut down on pump noise.
Permalink Reply by Den on March 3, 2015 at 10:59am

$1 ft

Permalink Reply by Sherre Boyanowski on March 3, 2015 at 2:34pm

$6.88 per foot.  $500, per pump, and yes, sound walls. One line, 2 year lease, but paid for every 180 days. If they take it up and then lay it back down 181 days later, they pay again.  also ground disturbance. They make a road going to each pump to maintain, fill with fuel, and when they were pumping full time, someone was there at all times. Wyoming Co., Pa.

Permalink Reply by Janice L. Hancharick on March 10, 2015 at 3:47pm

Sounds like a fair deal. Just wondering what size pipe is being used?

Permalink Reply by Sherre Boyanowski on March 10, 2015 at 8:17pm

The first time they fracked, it was probably a 15 inch hard plastic line. The second time, it was about an 8 inch flexible line (like a fireman's hose). The flexible line was much nicer. It was faster to put down and take up, less ground disturbance, and no debris left behind.

Permalink Reply by INVICTUS on March 11, 2015 at 12:19pm

$3. They're gettin' cheap. But it's easy money with low impact to the land.

Permalink Reply by Janice L. Hancharick on March 12, 2015 at 9:44am

Yours is exactly the "take" companies want from landowners ... whether for any type of pipeline or an O & G lease.  It makes them smile.  

Permalink Reply by INVICTUS on March 12, 2015 at 2:04pm

Trust me on this, Janice. We don't set the price on simple water lines. They do. Plenty of landowner experience in this little corner of the oil and Gas world.

Sigh. I wish it were otherwise. But landowners ON THIS POINT are definitely price takers, not price makers.

I've tried.

But I picked up $30k for a little cooperation and NO Lasting impact. NO BS. Easy money.

The rest of O/G experience should be this easy.

Permalink Reply by Alan Bowers on March 12, 2015 at 10:50am

Try asking for references from the company seeking to install the temporary water line.

Specifically, LANDOWNERS, that had a temporary line run across their property.

If the LANDOWNERS that they ran the temporary pipeline across come back with problems about trash and/or the pipeline company dragging their feet about making road/private drive repairs during and after the temporary pipeline is removed then you need a clause addressing each issue in the contract.

With regard to road/private drive repairs you could ask for the company to post a Performance Bond.  If they don't fix the road/private drive in a timely manner (timely manner needs to be spelled out in the contract) then the LANDOWNER can draw funds against the Bond.

Something similar can be done if trash had been an issue.

You want to limit the time frame when repairs need to be completed.  If the temp pipeline has been pulled up go for repairs being made NO LATER THAN 30-45 days weather permitting.

I am aware of a specific case in the northern part of the Utica Play where the company that laid the temporary line let the repairs to the private driveway take more than a year before they did anything to fix it (the temp water line had been long since removed).  And that was because one of the owners of the drive left a message that Attorneys were about to be involved.  They dragged the repair out over a two day period and then had to come back several days later for half a day because they did a poor job on the repair.  Other than the delay in the private drive repair they were decent people to deal with and their money and checks were good. Trash was not an issue on that job site.  I had the opportunity to meet workers who installed and operated the temp pipeline and their rep who approached the property owners on several occasions.  However, I did not own the private driveway that was damaged.

I know that if the owner of the private drive deals with them again there will be a specific clause in the contract about how fast the drive gets repaired.  There was no timeframe spelled out in the contract the first time around.

A little foresight used in crafting the contract can make for a much more pleasant experience.

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