Cheney Exemption (The Halliburton Loophole)

Trying to educate here. Is Fracing exempted from the clean water act? I saw a story somewhere recently but cant find it, anyone got a link?

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Permalink Reply by randall gottus on August 15, 2013 at 4:22pm

Mark...who are you speaking for, or who are you representing?  This "make believe world" that you are talking about, does not exist. You appear to be somewhat dis connected from reality. 

Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on August 18, 2013 at 3:44pm

randall,

This is reality:

65 years of fracing including over 47,000 shale wells. Not one incidence of fracing cited for pollution. That is real, it's fact.

Permalink Reply by kdj on August 15, 2013 at 11:23pm

Good point, I suppose someone will come on and mention hush money, out of court settlements etc. I don't blame companies for keeping things quiet, it gives too many ideas to the free money seekers ( with a lawyer in on the take)

If my water well is ruined by fracing, I will have to eat my words, along with my filet minion and caviar.

Permalink Reply by Susquehanna Sally on August 18, 2013 at 11:27am

thanks for the laugh.  this thread was getting too combative and personal.

Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on August 18, 2013 at 3:42pm

kdj,

your water well will never be ruined by fracing.

Permalink Reply by MJ on August 15, 2013 at 4:00pm

 

IMHO,  I think it is the masses that are swayed so much by the media that drives debate in just about everything environmentally.  What we need is a little common sense in this mess.  Everything can and will pollute.  It all depends upon the perspective.  I personally believe that every cigarette butt tossed out of a car is adding deadly chemicals to our environment.  Animals all sh&* in the woods "poisoning" our environment with deadly bacteria which can filter into the water table.....etc

Good lord!  Everything has consequences and we all need to live with them.  My point is:  why do we feel the need to microanalyze everything today?  We are a much safer and eco-friendly society today then we ever were.

Permalink Reply by kdj on August 15, 2013 at 11:11pm

I totally agree. There are trade offs in everything, I think the media has been so relentless in their condemnation of this whole energy thing it has skewed opinion to the point that the whole environmental, geo political, economic  positives  aren't being considered.

Permalink Reply by Susquehanna Sally on August 18, 2013 at 11:54am

My son just left for China and took a typhoid injection just in case.   He did without the malaria pills because the antibiotic you take is nation specific and he's not quite sure yet where he will be sightseeing.  

Maybe I shouldn't have let him go?  Living is risky business.

Permalink Reply by Boa on August 15, 2013 at 12:50pm
I definitely agree with Randall.
Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on August 15, 2013 at 2:08pm

You agree that there are people out there suffering from spoiled water wells that have never reported it ?

Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on August 16, 2013 at 2:19am

Matthew,

You still skirt the issue:

65 years of hydraulic fracturing, over 47,000 shale wells fraced not one incidence of pollution due to the process.

So you and those who agree with you are wrong and you are also in the minority.

It is you and the others who are unreasonable by not admitting your error with regard to hydraulic fracturing. The process has never caused pollution.

Again, please cite on incident.

Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on August 16, 2013 at 2:41am

Matthew,

Further, the unreasonableness in this discussion is on your side.

You have made the claim that hydraulic fracturing causes pollution. Yet you refuse to defend that position by citing one incident of pollution.

As for the indemnity clause. Those didn't start showing up in leases until land owners and their attorney's requested them. Go back and look at the older standard leases.

Indemnity clauses are there because of land owners.

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