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Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on February 1, 2014 at 4:13am

MJ,

You forgot the dreaded purple squirrels,and the Oh My's.

What you are seeing in this dialogue is a typical radical tactic....tell a lie loud enough, long enough and people will begin to believe it. If questioned just yell it louder, and attack your questioner personally. The radicals will never engage in substantive dialogue, they can't because their arguments cannot stand inspection, they are false.

Permalink Reply by Bill F. on February 1, 2014 at 3:59am

I do a lot of writing and do not check grammar all the time .Sorry it bothers you ,but I believe you get the point anyhow .In my opinion bringing up a such a trivial grammar error made on such an important subject as the safety of HVHF is just lame .

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Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on February 1, 2014 at 4:13am

Bill,

Where is your proof ? Please post.

Otherwise we are left to conclude that your claims are nothing more than stories made up to fit your narrative.

Please prove us all wrong.

Permalink Reply by Bill F. on February 1, 2014 at 4:30am

@ Mark ...what makes you think I have do prove anything more than I have done to you .You are not that important to what I do ! I gave you examples and sources .Check with the PA DEP about complaint from bradford county ,PA .No matter what I would post you would deny or twist it to your liking .Stay a fool .That's your choice !In the mean time I will continue to purpose  more mandatory reg's on the NG industry in PA and hopefully across the country .

Permalink Reply by George Brown on February 1, 2014 at 4:35am

Yes Bill, I'm sure you are quite the legend in your own mind.

Dream on brother, dream on...

Permalink Reply by MJ on February 1, 2014 at 6:30am

Go do your important work then Bill.  Me i'll never grow up.  Not with the likes of our current administration keeping us all down.  Don't bother us uneducated dimwits anymore with your doom and gloom prophecies.  If I have to swim in a frac pond to get us off of foreign oil, I will.  If I have to put up with some things I dislike to get Natural gas flowing, I will.  150 Billion dollars of taxpayer's money spent on unproven green technologies that largely failed does not make anyone very happy now does it?  Will these technologies ever make it?  I believe so one day, but it will not happen all at once like our current administration wants.  Right now we need shale development PERIOD! 

Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on January 30, 2014 at 1:43pm

Bill,

If the statement  Hydraulic Fracturing has never caused pollution prove me wrong.

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Permalink Reply by Paul Heckbert on January 31, 2014 at 3:09am

A letter to the editor of the Post-Gazette newspaper:

We need strong environmental regulation

January 20, 2014 12:00 AM

Regarding Tony Norman’s column “W.Va. Water Crisis Serves as Lesson Elsewhere” (Jan. 14): The chemical spill in West Virginia that left 300,000 people without tap water for a week should teach us that the coal/ chemical industry needs tighter regulation of chemical storage and that more studies of chemical toxicity are needed.

The North Dakota crude oil train that caught fire in Quebec last year, killing 47 people, should teach us that tighter train handling regulations are needed, and that a gold rush mentality can cost human lives.

The BP oil spill of 2010 that claimed 11 lives and cost $40 billion and counting should teach us that the use of dispersants might have made the spill more toxic, and deep-water oil drllling needs tighter regulation.

In all three cases we should conclude that market forces were not sufficient; tighter government regulation by the Environmental Protection Agency and other agencies is needed to ensure that our water, air and land are safe.

Meanwhile, closer to Pittsburgh, there was a recent Associated Press story that “Pennsylvania has confirmed at least 106 water-well contamination cases [due to gas and oil drilling] since 2005” (“Fracking Pollution Records Uneven,” Jan. 6). Yet the gas industry claims it is over-regulated.

Are we learning from our mistakes?

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Permalink Reply by Ragnars Repo on January 31, 2014 at 11:56am

I can only hope the lesson we all learn is how inept and corrupt the EPA is. All that regulation and they still can't fix anything.

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Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on January 31, 2014 at 4:39pm

Paul,

My first thought/question about this post is this; do you accept such sloppy work from your students.

First you cite an article about an article Post Gazette story about an AP story,and it's obvious you didn't read the AP story, because if you had you would never have written this post. You have only chosen to cherry pick the facts you found in the Post Gazette story to support you anti shale development point of view.

For example: your reference to 106 water well contamination cases. You lifted those from the article and intentionally used it out of context. The quote actually says this:" Pennsylvania has confirmed at least 106 water well contamination cases since 2005. 2005 is important because if you had read the AP you would know that that article goes on to state  " From January 1, 2005 through the end of 2013, there have been 32,625 oil and gas wells drilled in Pennsylvania ( of which 7,426 were unconventional/Marcellus Shale wells). 106 out of 32,625 ? Please, that's one third of one percent.

But you might say even 106 is too many, well the AP story goes on to provide some more interesting facts. First : The U.S. Geological performed two recent studies with regard to water wells in PA. One of the conclusions is that high levels of methane occur naturally in aquifers across the state, even in areas where there is no oil and gas development. Further, Penn State performed a study of water wells prior to commencement of drilling nearby. That study found that 40% of those wells failed at least one federal drinking water standard.  That study also found one of the main reasons was poor (water) well construction, primarily lack of casing.

... and for the knock out punch - from the Post Gazette story you referenced comes this quote:

"Experts say that the most common type of pollution involves methane, not chemicals from the drilling process".

So we have the U.S.G.S. stating that methane occurs naturally in water tables all across PA. Then we have your article state that the main complaint of pollution is methane.

I'd say that was a slam dunk for me.

As I said, very sloppy work for an educated person.

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Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on February 1, 2014 at 5:49am

Bill,

The final work of the DEP/PA disproves the complaint in Bradford County. PA.

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