January 3 2015 - Wind Turbine Collapses in Northern Ireland

I didn't see this make the news anywhere in the US, or maybe I missed it.

We can't have bad news about wind power generation floating around in the media can we? If a similar situation presented itself during drilling or fracking we all know it would be covered and smothered on every "news" channel.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-30667411

At least no one got hurt.

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Permalink Reply by Dan Warner on January 6, 2015 at 2:38pm

I'm kinda slow on the uptake; I'd be happy to have you explain it to me.

Permalink Reply by Frank Walker on January 6, 2015 at 2:31pm

Robert, trust me.  I speak from personal experience.  Two miles would be MUCH too close and could pose a genuine danger to the children, to their ability to focus and learn, and to their teachers as well.  The absolute minimum distance would be five miles.  And even at that distance, the safety of the kids would depend on the consistency of the soils between the turbines and the school.  The more rock there is, the more distance you need between the turbine and something as important and vulnerable as children.

People who support wind turbines do so from afar, and out of sheer ignorance of the dangers for  persons closer by to the turbines.  Either that, or else they simply do not care one whit about other people less fortunate than themselves.  Such individuals are NOT good people. 

Permalink Reply by S S C on January 6, 2015 at 4:54am
Who is telling people it is to your advantage to oppose wind power? It is not true of course, wind power requires a complimentary flexible energy source, with gas being the best choice for that. It is the coal people who do not want either wind or ng or anything else who are against it.
Permalink Reply by Larry Pearce on January 6, 2015 at 7:27am

Hmm, I have worked for a major OG developer in W. PA for 10 years, and there hasn't been ANY "fatalities, evacuations, fires, and explosions" associated with their wells, however, crap happens, coal mine accidents, off-shore rig accidents, refinery accidents, etc.. this is the cost of energy, sorry, deal with it.  

And I am sure you are QUITE aware of the most horrid working conditions in China where the wind turbines are manufactured, but that's Ok, because it is not in YOUR background.  Processing the rare earth metalsm building and shipping and erecting, is more dangerous and costly than the production of wind mill over it's life time.  Just like solar panels they are a complete joke.  Solar panels have a use I believe where you cannot easily get power, otherwise, waste of money.  Can you run a car with one? You can run a car on NG, we need broad scale implementation.

Btw, I drove my son around in Wash. cty PA to show him some well activity, I had trouble spotting much, although the county is heavily drilled, point being, once an area is completed, visual remnants are no different than typical farm silos.  And as far as the road work you are referring to, it is probably not done, I have seen extensive road resurfacing in Greene and Wash. and I have seen the high edges to at first, but then they get gravel graded at the edges.  You are focusing on a very small amount of issues in my opinion, and how have wind mills helped YOUR community? Jobs, revenue? NOT, just the folks that have the windmills, that's it.

Sounds to me like you said NO to gas leasing and now are blaming industry failures on you woes.  Boo hoo hoo!

Permalink Reply by Dan Warner on January 6, 2015 at 4:45pm

"...there hasn't been ANY 'fatalities, evacuations, fires, and explosions' associated with their wells, ..."  

Are you saying that the incidents didn't happen here, simply because they haven't happened there?

"... coal mine accidents, off-shore rig accidents, refinery accidents, etc ...".  

Aren't you making the case for alternative energy?

"... in China where the wind turbines are manufactured, ..."

Wind turbine manufacturers

"Processing the rare earth metalsm building and shipping and erecting, is more dangerous and costly than the production of wind mill over it's life time."

That's a pretty abstract conclusion.  How does one put a dollar value on danger? Would you care to share your algorithm?

"Just like solar panels they are a complete joke."

 "Solar panels have a use I believe..."

Too easy.

"Can you run a car with one?"

No, but you can run a car on batteries charged by one.

"...we need broad scale implementation."

I confess; your point here is lost on me. 

"...visual remnants are no different than typical farm silos."

OK, so it's exploding silos good, windmills bad; got it.

"...as far as the road work you are referring to, it is probably not done, I have seen extensive road resurfacing in Greene and Wash. and I have seen the high edges to at first, but then they get gravel graded at the edges"

You're probably right. After all, it's only been 6 months. They'll probably fix all the damage to our vehicles too.

"You are focusing on a very small amount of issues in my opinion, ..."

I'm not clear as to whether you mean that the actual number of incidents is low, or that the spectrum of different types of incidents is narrow.  Either way, as you stated, that is only your opinion.  All of the serious issues that I cited happened within 5 miles of home.  If you extend the radius another 10 miles, you find that two men burned alive in a flash fire on a pipeline.  Another 10 miles, two killed, three severly injured.  Another 10 miles, 28 homes evacuated for more than a week due to an out-of-control well.  

"...how have wind mills helped YOUR community?"

They haven't.  (but as a truck driver, I would love, just once, to pull one of those 150 foot blades down the road, scaring the bejeesus out of the four-wheelers)

How have they hurt yours?

"Jobs, revenue? NOT, just the folks that have the windmills, that's it." 

Wrong again 

"Sounds to me like you said NO to gas leasing..."

No, I said yes.

"...and now are blaming industry failures on you woes.  Boo hoo hoo!"

Well, yes, but only a small, relatively insignificant proportion of the issues cited have anything to do with me.  

Permalink Reply by Mike Fulper on January 7, 2015 at 12:12am

What about those Windmills in Holland   ??

Permalink Reply by Dan Warner on January 7, 2015 at 3:16am

They gotta go.

Permalink Reply by Dexter Green on January 7, 2015 at 4:52am

Has anyone blamed the IRA yet?

Permalink Reply by Dan Warner on January 7, 2015 at 8:36am

I think they're busy protesting against fracking.

Permalink Reply by Dan Warner on January 8, 2015 at 1:15pm

craig,

You turned off comments for your last reply to me, mistakenly, I'm sure, so I'm responding here for your convenience:

The report I cited in my response to Mr. Perotto seems pretty robust.  Did you give it a look?

I'll repost the link here in case you missed it.

I'll happily review any evidence (within reason) refuting it that you care to point to. 

Study

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