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Permalink Reply by Larry Wagenman on December 26, 2014 at 12:00pm

As long as the envirowackos are paid attention to and they have cowed a few a landowners who could actually form a local cartel to go ahead and explore , send some Citizens to western North Dakota and discover how private land is put to use by the descendants of the homesteaders.

There are theories galore about the manipulation of fossil fuel prices; here is one-

Buddy of Cuba , Morales of Bolivia blames USA for Oil Price War:  http://on.rt.com/q4u00e

He urged Moscow and Caracas to “join their efforts” in countering Washington’s “aggressive policies.”

 

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Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on December 27, 2014 at 2:43am

Be careful what you wish for. Allowing the feds any control over "fracking" could be a double edged sword. It might also allow the federal government to ban it when it so pleases.

Plus, it also violates states rights.

I fear that the issue in NY will not be resolved until landowners apply enough pressure on local and state legislators.

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Permalink Reply by Billy Park Whyde on December 29, 2014 at 9:38pm

 If the states that allow fracking and take the so called horrible risk to their environment then they should compensate for it. If NY was to have to pay say Oh, Pa or WV a environmental impact fee upon the gas they import in I bet NY would turn around real quick . That is unless the politicians haven't figured a way to take the land away from the landowners first.

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Permalink Reply by Frank Walker on December 30, 2014 at 3:34am

Billy wrote:  "That is unless the politicians haven't figured a way to take the land away from the landowners first."

Ya gotta believe they and their staffs are staying up late at night working hard to finagle a way..  This current crop of "Robin Hood"politicians exists in order to steal from us.

They view themselves as Robin Hoods.  To me, they're just plain hoods.

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Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on December 30, 2014 at 4:10am

Frank,

The've got a way already don't they ?
Isn't it called 'Eminent Domain' ?
That involves paying landowners 'fair market value' doesn't it ?
Unless they're trying to take it / sieze it for nothing somehow ?
Why wouldn't that just be called 'theft in office' ?
Do you think that they think if they do it / legalize it that it's not theft ?

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Permalink Reply by Frank Walker on December 30, 2014 at 4:25am

Yup.  ED is a scourge for sure.  Both kinds.

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Permalink Reply by Billy Park Whyde on December 30, 2014 at 5:00am

What do you think of a environmental fee being imposed on the export of our gas instead of a  severance tax upon us that does not get passed on by us?

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Permalink Reply by Jim Litwinowicz on December 30, 2014 at 5:06am

Hey Billy, I like that.  If NYers or anyone else complains, we can accuse them of hating the environment and being in the pockets of Evil Big Oil.  Turn the tables on them, hee hee.

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Permalink Reply by Billy Park Whyde on December 30, 2014 at 3:59pm

Jim  I am serious about that idea! I can not see the state robbing their own land owners while those out of state that are to good to muddy their back yards laugh !

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Permalink Reply by Trapper on December 30, 2014 at 5:44pm

I like it!

Permalink Reply by David Perotto on December 31, 2014 at 12:45am

I will be suing New York Stat. Back in 2008
Property assessments went up due to speculation of drilling. They took away our abiliy to capitalize on our minerals and is time to hit the state in the pocket book. I can't see how the suit loses, they have caused financial harm and it should be fairly easy to show damages.

Love the idea to tax natural gas as it crosse the state line, we would see how many so called environmentalists capitulate and subsequently push to drill.

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Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on December 31, 2014 at 2:07am

David,

What about a Class Action Suit?

It may give your effort more weight.

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