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Permalink Reply by Noah D. on November 28, 2012 at 11:56am

Oliver,

Thanks for the info.  It is in Slippery Rock Twp.

Permalink Reply by Terry W. on November 28, 2012 at 12:24pm

If you have already signed with Shell, see if you have a "Consideration for right of way agreement" that you may have also signed

It will give you a Dollar figure per linear foot measured.

Permalink Reply by Noah D. on December 2, 2012 at 4:34pm

A company seemingly unrelated to Shell contacted me about conducting a seismic survey on my property. They sent a contract offering me about $240 to allow them to do the survey. Has anyone else been approached with such a request?

Permalink Reply by Rob on December 7, 2012 at 4:57pm

We were contacted by DAS for our property in North Liberty.  Frankly, the agreement as written is a bad deal.  Read it carefully and you will discover that for a few hundred dollars they can go where ever, whenever, damage whatever and you'll get not one penny more.  Drilling the shot holes is not a minimally-invasive procedure.  If you are inclined to sign the deal, I would recommend writing your conditions in the space provided or on another piece of paper.  Think about the value of timber they may cut, damage to lawns, wells, septic, foundations, etc.  If you don't include it, it doesn't exist.

Permalink Reply by mike on December 7, 2012 at 5:45pm

I am from Southern Lawrence County 114 acres and we are a little ahead of your County they start in the South and are working North {DAS}. i had corn standing when they were drilling the shot holes they payed for it and i was ok whith that they paid us only $5.00 acre but was not bad they stay away from your lawn and dont cut or damage your timber or they will pay 300 or 400 feet from wells, septic ect. here ie a post from the home  page

Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on September 24, 2012 at 9:19pm

RE: "DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW FAR IS FRACKED WHEN THEY DRILL DOWN 30 FEET AND SET OFF THE CHARGE"

Inches, or at most a foot or two, assuming that the bottom of the hole is in solid rock. If the hole bottoms in soil, subsoil, fractured rock - then it will simply temporarily compress.

The idea is to get as much of the energy from the charge to travel down through the earth as a sound wave.

Any energy that would go into fracturing rock would be an unwanted lose of energy.

The explosive used is a high velocity charge; it expends its energy in as short a time duration as possible.

The reasons for this lie in Fourier Theory; the shorter the time duration something is in the Time Domain, the longer it is (greater bandwidth) in the Frequency Domain.

The greater the bandwidth in the Frequency Domain, the greater the resolution that can be obtained.

For a particular survey/area, testing is done to determine the optimum depth of shot holes and size of charge to obtain the best data. For a variety of reasons, the smallest charge that accomplishes the data quality goals is the size of charge one would wish to use. It is usually better to use a number of smaller charges in multiple shot holes than to use a larger charge in a single shot hole.

Many years of science and empirical experience goes into the choice of parameters such that the shots can achieve as much as possible without negative effects.

RE: "THE GUY TOLD ME THEY HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM BUILDINGS AND SPRINGS 400 FEET AND I WAS CURIOUS HOW MUCH DAMAGE IS DONE UNDERNEATH WHEN THEY SET IT OFF ?"

By staying 400 feet distant, they are being overly cautious, as one would want them to be.

They look at the worst possible occurrance and multiply it by ten, that way everyone (including their insurer) will be happy; the cows will give milk, the chickens will continue to lay eggs, and the shrimp (in their ponds) will grow and prosper.

All IMHO,

               JS

Permalink Reply by Noah D. on December 11, 2012 at 4:55am

Rob,

Thanks for your input.  My property is wide open so I'm not to concerned about damages.  My big concern is that for a few hundred dollars they want to tie up my property for 18 months to do the seismic survey.  You are right, as written their contract is a bad deal.

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