Radioactive waste coming to your farm?

Who here has a lease that prohibits this?

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/drilling/ohio-utica-shale-1.291290/u-s-sh...

 

As is proven time and time again in the courts and Pa legislature, if you dont expressly prohibit something it is assumed to be allowed... nice huh?

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Permalink Reply by John OBrien, landowner advocate on July 25, 2013 at 12:48pm

Bobs lease has gone missing, but I printed it before that happened.  Seems to me in paragraph 2., "Lessor reserves all rights not specifically granted to Lessee in this lease."  Pretty much says, NO WAY!  It is covered a second time under ARTICLE V. IMPACTS AND EFFECTS. Section c.  "no disposal of........"  Covered man covered.  So quit "stirring the pot" as Keith said.  Get real Rick.

By the way Rick, has your Radon detector gone off lately?  Every basement should have one cause it comes out of the ground naturally anyway.

Permalink Reply by Frank Walker on July 26, 2013 at 1:13am

Keith

I like your attitude and I wish you good luck.  Personally I would not sign a lease with a company like Chesapeake that has the attitude:  "If you don't like it we'll see you in court".  Chesapeake knows well how to manipulate and use the courts to their advantage.  They are masters of the appeal.  They know they have more legal firepower, and more money behind that firepower, than any single landowner.

If your lease says "white", and Chesapeake insists it's "black", you might eventually win the point in court.  However, by the time you win, years from now, you'll be broke owing to the legal fees.  And you will also have lost hundreds of hours of personal time preparing, consulting with your lawyer, and sitting in court.  I concede some folks enjoy such a legal joust.  I'm not one of those folks.  Better, from my viewpoint, to avoid dealing with sleaze.

Permalink Reply by Rick on July 26, 2013 at 1:54am

Keith, laws can change in a heartbeat as was done two weeks ago by corbett and everett... your lease may be solid now, but will definately be obsolete in a few years. I hope the best foryou and all of us all though. I'm just making a point that we ... not one of us, are really safe from new laws and technology that will appear in the next several years... best you can do is keep an eye on them i suppose.

Permalink Reply by Janice L. Hancharick on July 31, 2013 at 4:50am

I totally agree with you Keith, and it IS a solid lease not fear tactics that prevents problems from popping up.

Has anyone looked @ pics of modern-day Hiroshima?  We surely made a wasteland of that place!  It's been over 30 yrs. since I was there ... to see the evidence of what radioactivity can do.  Yet during my stay I saw nothing but beauty, hard-working people who obviously were thriving, and a level of cleanliness that our cities seldom exhibit.  We have the same potential.  We're smart enough to look beyond fear mongerers and act accordingly.  No other nation is blessed w/more resources than AMERICA.  Why is so much time spent squabbling?  If we don't take advantage of what we have, all our cities could end up like Detroit!

Permalink Reply by Billy Park Whyde on July 25, 2013 at 10:02am

On every frac job I was on radioactive tracers are injected into the frac stage. So figure if it goes down and what comes  back in flow back is going to contain some of it.

Permalink Reply by RAYMOND bAUMAN on July 26, 2013 at 4:07pm

Sorry Billy to inject tracers you need a  FEDERAL PERMIT, A Federal approved firm and public notice and a public meeting.  Guess you are a fake, and probably never been on a well site.  At best you don't know what a  well logging tool and well log is.  By the way if you lose the tool in the hole  you have to fish it out or cement it in place  . The only ones who have used radioactive tracers so far has USEPA And DOE  Study  with initial results in Penn.

Permalink Reply by Billy Park Whyde on July 26, 2013 at 6:02pm

 Ray then please tell me why they had there nice little radioactive signs posted at Station #1.  Now sorry to burst your bubble but you might like to educate yourself a bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing_proppants read it carefully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radionuclides_associated_with_hydrauli...

http://www.epmag.com/Production/Fracturing-Technology-Improving-tec...

Radioactive tracers are the most common method currently used to determine propped fracture geometry, but they present many safety and environmental issues that can have a major impact when using this technology as part of a fracturing treatment. 

PEC Basic, PEC-SEMS,SafeLandUSA , Offshore SafeGulf, T.R.A.P,  Heartsaver First Aid CPR AED

  Now gofrac yourself as my hard hat sticker said!

Permalink Reply by Craig Cooper on August 5, 2013 at 2:39pm

Billy,

Did you actually read through the articles associated with your links?

Merely a suggestion here, but if you're going to extract sentences from the articles, you should at least try to extract enough of them to convey the full meaning of the articles. For example, the very next sentence after the one included in your post above is:

"Tracers must be transported, stored, handled, injected, and monitored in accordance with a number of state, federal, and international regulations."

Below are other excerpts from the articles associated with your links:

"In the United States radionuclides amounts per injection are controlled by the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC).... The NRC and approved state agencies regulate the use of injected radionuclides in hydraulic fracturing in the United States."

"Naturally occurring radionuclides are of more concern than man-made radionuclides used in fracture monitoring because the former have longer half lives and so remain in the environment longer."

"Tracers with different half-lives are used for each stage. Their half-lives range from 40.2 hours (Lanthanum-140) to 5.27 years (Cobalt-60). Amounts per injection of radionuclide are listed in The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) guidelines."

"Tracers must be transported, stored, handled, injected, and monitored in accordance with a number of state, federal, and international regulations."

Permalink Reply by Billy Park Whyde on August 5, 2013 at 2:57pm

  Craig did I say that the company I worked for in fracking didn't have the required permits? It was not the fracking company that monitored the radioactive tracers but a subcontractor. The contractor had their pellets and injection system hoked up to usually station one had seen it on station two when one had to be taken out and replaced so they kept it on station two. The set up kinda of looked like a blood transfusion set up.

  Craig I was there and it was beiing done legally or not I know not as we the workers are not privledged to know everything that goes on.

  These wells that I was at were in WV near Bridge Port. Now if someone wants to go antfracking on this information it wouldnt be hard to establish ask Antero!

Permalink Reply by Billy Park Whyde on August 5, 2013 at 3:02pm

By the way Craig I wonder if the subcontractor that worked for that company ever got his 100 foot extention cord back that we barrowed from him. 

Permalink Reply by RAYMOND bAUMAN on July 25, 2013 at 2:56pm

 YES THE SOLUTION IS DRILL AND FRAC THE SHALE SO IT BECOMES UNSUITABLE FOR USE AS A STORAGE SITE

Permalink Reply by Rick on July 26, 2013 at 1:42am

Fang... would you have thought the supreme court would have trouble defining the word "Royalty" ? No way would i think THAT would be a problem... but they ruled in the industry's favor...

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