How much are deductions draining your royalty check?

We seem to hear alot about Chesapeke siphoning off alot of deductions from royalty checks. How are the other gascos treating their landowners? Shell , Range , Hilcorp , Chevron , etc. , etc.?

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Permalink Reply by Kevin on August 29, 2016 at 1:40am

One thing to remember is the price of natural gas that we are paid has a huge impact on the percentage of royalties. When gas was $6.04 my deductions were 9%. Last month with gas at $1.08 my deductions were 56%. Southwestern will charge you about the same for a certain amount of gas. As the price of gas goes down the percentage of royalties goes up but they didn't charge any more than usual for that amount of gas.

Permalink Reply by Larry Livengood on August 29, 2016 at 7:27am

I have tried to compute a charge per mcf, never get a similar or consistent charge.  Also their selling gas at below market prices to a subsidiary to reduce royalties is another matter.  When the rate is $2.40 and my royalties are based on $1.12, I have to wonder.

Permalink Reply by G.H. on August 29, 2016 at 11:50am

I could be wrong, but I think the price they can fetch per mcf in Appalachia is lower than the "Henry Hub" prices you see, because of a glut of gas in the region, not enough infrastructure to move it, etc.  Even if that is the case, it is still a load of BS for the landowner, but maybe someone who knows better than I can chime in and clarify here.  I think I have heard this a couple times.  There are at least some of the companies that pull the subsidiary BS as well.

Permalink Reply by Kevin on August 30, 2016 at 12:57am

$2.40 as in Henry Hub or what's posted at the top of this page?

Permalink Reply by Larry Livengood on August 30, 2016 at 3:30am

Royalties are paid by CHK on past production.  My royalties this month was for May, so you have to find the past prices or keep a log.  Can''t use today's prices.  I will be getting the June royalties the first of September.  They are "holding" three months of your money, then taking deductions on top of it.

Permalink Reply by Kevin on August 31, 2016 at 2:17am

Yes, I understand that. Southwestern does the same. 

I was paid above the Henry Hub prices once when we got $6.04. There were some CHK wells that got paid $9.00 that same month when the Henry Hub was at $6.00.

This is when the total deductions were 9%. Now that the price is much  lower the deduction % is much higher.  

Permalink Reply by G.H. on August 29, 2016 at 7:41am

Yes, this is important to remember.  In my statements I have seen deductions as high as ~78% and as "low" as 30-40%, all depending on the price of nat gas.

Permalink Reply by RB on August 29, 2016 at 8:36am
Larry I have read about these partnerships arranged to pay out less royalty & reap more profit. Who was doing this.
Permalink Reply by Larry Livengood on August 29, 2016 at 10:07am

CHK will not identify their middle man.  I suspect, without any proof, that it is one of their subsidiaries. They have set up dummy corps before, then when things went south, they claimed that company was at fault and declared bankruptcy on it.  End of line.  

Permalink Reply by RB on August 29, 2016 at 8:43am
Something else, can't imagine a competent negitiator arranging a fixed price for sales. They would be fired. Meaning arranging to pay a fixed cost for processing no matter the quantity or selling price. A percentage would be more appropriate. Yet gathering here they are charging the landowner a fixed cost thereby reducing payout. They only way this would work for them is if they recouped their charges in the "arrangement ". Could they all be that shady?
Permalink Reply by Larry Livengood on August 29, 2016 at 10:03am

Yep.

Permalink Reply by scott peterson on August 29, 2016 at 10:06am

More than likely!

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