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Permalink Reply by Johhny Jacobs on October 6, 2011 at 4:38am

I am quite familiar with your group. As I understand the dynamic of your group: it is a highly disorganized, landowners can opt out (are doing so) and independently lease, and yinz are learning as you go (1st rodeo...I've had a front row seat).

First, it's contiguous, and your specific area, isn't very specific, Butler County? 383,987 acres? Either change your group name, and who you accept as members, or simply stop being disingenuous.

Second, that is a partial falsehood to state O&G companies 'frequently trade/sell leases to one another'. Well, as someone involved in production and unit design (would tell you), they're not exactly about facilitating the competition. An attempt would be made to acquire a tract of land if it had strategic importance, namely it is a sizable chunk (100+ acres) in the middle of a already controlled leasehold, or the horizontal well bore(s) goes under said property. Otherwise, you are likely SOL (no forced pooling, go to the courthouse and find some historical declarations of units, all those weird shapes = units). By your logic, BCLG is opposed to lease flipping, but it is placing its bets on the producers harmoniously facilitating each other. Don't worry Ms. Jenkins, although Shell has the entire township you're in, sign your 50 acres with Chevron. A huge flag will go up, corporate will send a team of specialist to contact Chevron, spend significant time analyzing your strategic importance, and offer them the world.

Or option B, draw unit around, let lease die, decide if they still want it (Read: haven't drained around it) when it expires. What happened in Bradford, in large part, was small oil producers holding leases with deep rights by production of non Shale formations and then selling them to the companies capable of producing the Shale formations for a healthy profit.

I am happy. (DkinPa....grade me)

Permalink Reply by Johhny Jacobs on October 6, 2011 at 8:52am

Lease? I don't have one. I need one of those? What would be constructive is if I had an Addendum to share. Post a copy of your BCLG contract, you can post it right here on a PDF file, I think that would be constructive. 

Not familiar with Friendsville Group (other than, I guess, their model determined the structure of yours), but if I was to speculate, I would assume they are also purporting to be in the best interest of the landowner (selling the collective bargaining shtick), and profiting from their 'charity'. I love their website! Check it out, got some organized pros here: http://www.thefriendsvillegroup.org/ I

Permalink Reply by Johhny Jacobs on October 6, 2011 at 2:15pm

Yeah, I have this friend, who bought a 2000 square foot house in New York City for 2 million dollars, this other guy (also a good friend) bought a similar house in West Virginia for $200,000. Huh...so different areas...have different markets? Curious. Could it be that certain areas have Shale that is more lucrative (read: productive, thick, higher pressure) than others? Could it also be, that different areas also have different infrastructure allowing producers to access markets with the product? (the product is oil and gas, for all those paying attention, and after today, I'm wondering).

Yes, variables exist that dictate price. It's not hard to find examples of higher bonus figures, Haynesville Shale, Barnett Shale, the list goes on....you're not in New York folks. Further, your government hates you, (not literally, don't freak and call your local congressional representative) and there is no forced pooling (a topic on this forum, we love to ignore). So, again, and again, your 50-100 acres in the grand scheme of things, means....you guessed it...nothing.

Matt, "signed a lease", if you're a landowner marketing consortium (or whatever the marketable name is) is like saying, "well, I ate this month".  Go Bradford, Tioga and etc. County! 

One thing, you must understand, is that Shell, Exxon, Chevron and the other majors O&G companies view landowner groups effectively as shady organizations that hold parcels of land hostage. If an individual landowner, represented by a O&G attorney (that isn't milking them for a % of their Bonus or Royalty) approaches the major in their area (different for every township...another fact, bulk lease salesmen, like to forget), proposes a set of Addendums, that doesn't include 'Chevron will babysit my children on Tuesdays', it will go through and everyone skips off into the sunset. But that would be to easy, and special interests...well, we know what happens to special interests.

How bout that BCLG contract fella...I want to take a look at the 'everyone wins' contract. You can post it right here on a PDF file.

Drill baby drill.

 

Permalink Reply by DKinPA on October 6, 2011 at 6:50am

Johhny, since you are a salesmen for a gas company you are doing exactly what would be expected. I find it very entertaining that you have taken so much time out of your days to try and trash our group. Why would a landman feel the need to do this? If BCLG were inconsequential there would be no need! If members were in fact leaving the group (only 2 landowners have left in a period of 1 1/2 years) there would be no need! If BCLG were not growing on a weekely basis there would be no need! If BCLG did not have leverage to represent our neighbors in acquiring a fair lease there would be no need! The fact is that we are doing what we said we would do 1 1/2 years ago, and that is work together as landowners and do all that we can to assist our fellow landowners to acheive a fair lease. I live here and will remain here till I die, so I care what happens....you however do not own land anywhere in Butler County. You can make all the personal attacks on me or the group that you wish but the facts remain the same: With the contiguous acreage that BCLG has in our membership, it makes it very difficult for you to put in a 1280 acre production unit (and you have not been able to do it yet) with out a large portion of that land being held by members of BCLG. Your statements and attacks only prove the benefits of being in a landowner group, whether it is ours or any other. Johhny, we can work together or you can attack me....... ...its up to you! Have a great day!

Permalink Reply by Johhny Jacobs on October 6, 2011 at 8:38am

Mr. DkinPA,

That was a great spiel. I'm recommending BCLG for a Nobel Prize for Humanitarian outreach. If I see complete bullshit propaganda online; I find responding worthy of my time. Alien hunters are next on my list, but you took precedent.

If you were truly informed, you would understand that the reason 1280 units don't exist is not because of lack of contiguous acreage...going two miles horizontally isn't exactly cake. Nope: BCLG is the lynchpin in big oils operations in Butler Co. You're expressing yourself as less than intelligent, with statements like this. Why does no one respond to the element of how unimportant specific parcels of land are with relation to a state that has no forced pooling? In fact, many points were not addressed. Can you post a copy of your BCLG contract? 

Have a wonderful day.

Permalink Reply by mike4t on October 6, 2011 at 8:51am

Johhhhhny

You and your keyboard continue to show what a big ass you truly are

Permalink Reply by Johhny Jacobs on October 6, 2011 at 9:07am

I could definitely see how my comments could upset certain parties. C'est la vie. Keep drinking the Kool-aid.

Permalink Reply by mike4t on October 6, 2011 at 9:10am

nothing you ever say is constructive

 

you should keep your ugly comments to yourself

Permalink Reply by Outback on October 6, 2011 at 9:16am

Thanks, mike

Permalink Reply by Johhny Jacobs on October 6, 2011 at 9:27am

Read my posts again. Stop responding like a child. Articulate your hate for me like an adult.

Permalink Reply by Johhny Jacobs on October 6, 2011 at 4:03pm

Thanks, mikey

Permalink Reply by JMS on October 19, 2011 at 11:58am

Whoa...I am exhausted reading your rant John Boy!

Me thinks you must have some financial reason (losing customers perhaps?) to be bashing our group, otherwise...WHY would you care AT ALL? 

It's not your property we're talking about; and BCLG isn't costing you anything...

Get a life...

 

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