Well unit boundary???

Who determines the unit boundaries and is there an approval agency. I'm in southwest PA with a unit boundary running right along my property line. I'm not going to receive any royalties but feel my gas will be "extracted". What do I do???

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Permalink Reply by Clinton44 on July 12, 2012 at 1:57pm

There are no stupid questions we are all here to learn and exchange information.

Search on utube I think there are some fracing videos on there, it will give you idea of what kind of equipment is on the site when they are fracing.

Also if they did not lay a water pipeline to the well site (as they are starting to do in many areas to cut down on the truck traffic)  you will see a constant stream 24/7 of water tankers bringing water to the site to fill the onsite fracing trailers.

 

Permalink Reply by Betty on July 13, 2012 at 4:08am

Thanks again.   actually, they are completing a pipeline now -- but I think it's a gas line since I'm almost positive there is a pond on the site as well -- can't see the pond from the road but there is a sign that says something about water.     We received a notification letter well over a year ago so that would give me the well info and according to that correspondence we are not included in that unit. 

Permalink Reply by owner on July 13, 2012 at 7:28am

Mark, I think you have a very good case to be included in this unit.  If the horizontal is only 47 feet from your property line, any fracing is reasonably likely to affect your ground and trespass yor property.   There is no number for how far fracing breaks the rock around the horizontal, but most geologists say it is 200 feet and more.   This well will definitely be taking gas from your property once fraced. 

Permalink Reply by LMS on July 16, 2012 at 1:00pm

I really enjoyed this topic as I've tried to get information re: unit boundaries & pooling for awhile now.  I'm in Susquehanna Co. & we have one well thats started but not fracked yet & the pipeline people indicated the end of the drill was proposed to be at the top of our property.  There are 2 other wells close by one of which is being burned off right now.  I was wondering approximately how many feet from the bottom hole would you need to be to be included in that particular unit.  We are approximately 2500 feet from the bottom hole of one unit in our area.  Thanks!

Permalink Reply by Clinton44 on July 17, 2012 at 11:07am

The bottom hole locations I mentioned in earlier post were between 300 and 600 feet from our property lines, and we were included in that unit.

I think 2500 feet might be to far to be included in a unit but the positive thing is that they are drilling near you and who knows what their future plans are... 

Permalink Reply by LMS on July 17, 2012 at 2:52pm

Thanks, Eric!  Ugh...I was hoping...


Maybe you can help me to understand the pooling.  If you'd have to be around 600 feet from the bottom hole...it seems to me that in many cases there wouldn't be many people included in a particular unit & in some cases it could be one property owner in a unit.  I hope I don't sound too ignorant.  I just find it a little confusing.  When we originally signed with the gas company they said you wouldn't want a well on your property b/c you only get paid royalties on 10 acres where if your a neighbor that they drilled under you would probably wind up making more.  We were also told the gas co needs approx 600 acres for a pool.  Does any of this make sense?  Thanks for anything you can tell me. 

Permalink Reply by Clinton44 on July 17, 2012 at 3:11pm

Most  of the horizontal well bores run for several thousand feet from the surface hole location on the well pad itself. I was just reffering to the bottom hole location because in our case the well bores ended near our property line,

To be included in a pooled unit the well bores have to run under your property or as in our case end close to it.

In PA units are usually aroung 640 acres plus or minus.

640 acres will come up often in discussions because that is the number of acres in one square mile although many of the drilling units are not exactly square in shape more like rectangles and not always exactly 640 acres.

Pooled units in some cases are split into North and South units.

Pooled units are simply groups of leases usually of contiguous  parcels of land grouped together by the gas companies and all landowners share in the royalties based on the number of acres they own within the pooled unit and the royaty percentage indicated on their lease.

Hope that helps...???

 

Permalink Reply by LMS on July 17, 2012 at 3:21pm

It does!  Thanks for your help!

Permalink Reply by DONALD MCNAUGHTON on July 16, 2012 at 2:00pm

THIS IS FOR MARK AND EVERYONE ELSE. I SAW AN ATTORNEY WAS WARNING A GAS COMPANY ABOUT FRACKING AND THEY USED THE TERM SUBTERRENIAN TRESSPASS. THIS WOULD BE THE CASE IF THEY DID NOT HAVE A LEASE WITH YOU. THERE IS A RULE OF CAPTURE WHERE THEY CAN TAKE GAS THAT FLOWS NATURALY FROM UNDER YOUR PROPERTY. BUT IN MY OPINION IF THE FRAC GOES INTO YOUR PROPERTY THEY HAVE ENTERED YOUR LAND. I UNDERSTAND YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO SESMIC TESTING TO SEE WHERE THE FRACING STOPS. I HAVE AKSED A GAS COMPANY GEOLOGIST THE QUESTION AND WAS TOLD  THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW FAR IT GOES OUT.  HOW FAR DOES IT GO VERTICALY EVEN WHEN IT FINDS A NATURAL FAULT? 

2pwt9ru4672sqPermalink Reply by 2pwt9ru4672sq on July 17, 2012 at 9:21am

Assuming the original post was dealing with a property in PA, I don't believe that the matter of a "frac trespass" has been adjudicated.  The rule of capture does apply but I don't think that it has been interpreted as only applying to gas that "flows naturally".  The evidentiary difficulty (not to mention the expense) of trying to prove that sand, water or some proppant actually crossed a property line would be difficult.  Each side would likely have an "expert" on the stand claiming opposite sides of this argument.   

Permalink Reply by me and you on July 19, 2012 at 11:28am

i'am from ohio  does anyone know the answer to the same questions for us in ohio..and how to get this info

Permalink Reply by Kathleen on July 19, 2012 at 12:22pm
In Ohio there is a law SB315 that set new rules for boundaries (sp) and other oil and gas drilling concerns. It's an easy read. If you would like to see a unit acre drawing for a well in Ohio here's a link http://gomarcellusshale.com/group/columbiana-county/forum/topics/tr...
You will see there is a few links to the odnr Unit acres drawing for a couple of wells on that page. You can see how they show the bottom hole and all the land included with the mineral owners listed. If you go to one of the other Odnr drawing links you can see how they moved left or right and the spacing by just following the owners names.
I love these drawings since its easier to see what people are saying than just trying to read the description of the drawings (bottom hole, unit size, length, etc). I hope this helps.

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