As a LAND OWNER what would you do?

 What would be your reaction if this took place upon your property? 

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/1209e0092f67497589f1a7b119c49...

 My response :

Trespassing endangering the public to have the police baby sit you instead of protecting the citizens is both childish and irresponsible as adults. I hope you are arrested for criminal trespassing, endangering public safety and are assessed for the cost of police and the damages in the lost productivity of the rig and crew at about $15,000 per hour! 
As a landowner if you were on my property you would be arrested and I would press charges with more pressure than any frack could generate!

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3uq96odaochmjPermalink Reply by 3uq96odaochmj on July 15, 2012 at 2:21pm

and what? watch Current TV or CSPAN and get dumbed down even more? I'm still shaking off the stupidness from attending Government Skrewl 25 years ago!

0i7okn54zwbdoPermalink Reply by 0i7okn54zwbdo on July 15, 2012 at 4:06pm

So FOX News is the cause of all of our ills?  Does Obama know about this?

Permalink Reply by Deborah Kittner Johnson on July 14, 2012 at 3:36am

My first thoughts were this is a potentially very dangerous situation for workers, protesters, and emergency personnel in the presence of this highly technical, powerful equipment. My thoughts go on...

Second observation: those arrested were from out-of-town VT, IN, and OR. What does this mean? What percent of the locals supported this organization's action? Did the org take time to meet and speak with the local 'others' to hear their opinions?

I have observed an impenetrable wall between stakeholders - the pros and antis - afraid to talk with one another. This wall materialized as part of the structure of the Philadelphia Convention Center last fall during the gatherings of Shale Gas Insight 2011 and Shale Gas Outrage. Convention goers inside looked through shaded windows onto protesters outside looking in. Some simply curious, some accusing the other of not listening to the 'facts', and everyone emitting various kinds of 'emotion'. Such similarities: both consisted of parents, grandparents, young professionals, others mid-career or near retirement, and strikingly of different attire.   

Third, one local said he was protesting because of disrespect "the industry has shown to residents around the state (http://www.theprogressnews.com/default.asp?read=31554)." I know from having interviewed local to multi-national companies that the majority strive to do quality work, have pride in this, and try to raise other companies' practices in doing so. They tell me that it is just the few who ruin it for all. Many employees love the out-of-doors, want to preserve the character of the land as best possible for their grandchildren, and simply want respect from the outside for the work they perform providing energy to the populace. 

 

When visiting Marcellus well pads, if it is during the prepping, drilling, or fracking stage, sure, people can be utterly amazed and overtaken by the magnitude of the equipment, sounds, and activity. However, once drilled, fracked, completed, and hooked to gathering lines....these are relatively quiet places.

On the other hand, I must say the curious noise of a compressor station while hiking in the woods on a peaceful weekend afternoon is not pleasant. Nor are the sounds of tanker trucks grinding their gears and brakes at 5 or 6 o'clock in the morning outside of Mom's house a gentle way to wake up. And, I can no longer imagine anymore riding our bicycles or tandem on "one of America's most scenic drives" Route 6 as we arrive from the west into Bradford County. 

When looking at photos of oil derricks  during Edwin Drake's time in the 1860s - we have come a long way. Oil derricks are splattered about every 50-75 feet across a landscape barren of trees, wooden work huts and camps squeezed in between, and mud everywhere. I see photos of oil barrels mostly upright in orderly rows with others topsy turfy waiting for barge delivery along the Allegheny River. I can only imagine the thickness of the oil slick from barrel leakages and run-off from the drilling and temporary living conditions. All of this has disappeared. Vanished. Much of this once industrial space is now covered by mature trees, farmland, or towns.

So many perspectives - so many affected in so many different ways. We are living in a significant time. 

Permalink Reply by Billy Park Whyde on July 14, 2012 at 4:03am

 I was out in the garden the other evening as it was cooling and was hearing the put put put put pop put   put    put pop from the old hit and miss pump motor on the pump jack. Almost dark, and kind of slipped back about 50 years on cool fall morning, fog laying low in the valleys dawn a breaking. The bellow of the cattle somewhere in a field and hearing the put put put pop, put put     put       put pop coming from somewhere out of sight. Was hunting squirrel the first day of season wondering who will get the first shot,  will I  beat my dad to it? He is gone now but my memory of those days still survive . Seems as if the anti frackers never lived outside their liberal ivory palace  rubber coated rooms of college and now desperately seek attention they never had as a child. 

Permalink Reply by Deborah Kittner Johnson on July 14, 2012 at 5:27pm

Nice scene.

The reason I chose the topic of  "fracking" for my dissertation is that I grew up in northwest PA where fracking was a normal activity. Then, after 25 years of living in the mid-west, I wondered what all the hub bub was about back home. One thing I have discovered - "it's more than just about the water."

My concern about the environment is the thousands of acres of heavily chemically treated GMO corn and soy fields that I have seen from my seat on the tandem. From Cincinnati to Columbus to Indiana and back - how many insecticides, herbicides, fungicides, fertilizers and more have been added to the soil? How many tons of top soil have eroded into creeks and rivers? How many birds and animals no longer have habitat? There are not even weeds along the edges of these fields.

I would like to see this hypothesis tested: More hazardous chemicals (including Atrazine) are put into the environment by agricultural activity (the type I mention above) than are placed across an equivalent area of land down a well bore by shale fracking. I do not know. A guess.  

Permalink Reply by Billy Park Whyde on July 14, 2012 at 5:57pm

Clean carpet farming where deer feed in the median because the fields are bare. 

3uq96odaochmjPermalink Reply by 3uq96odaochmj on July 15, 2012 at 3:12am

Here's something that I have been saying for years - from October to sometimes April (winter snow months), the roadways is SW and Central PA get coated by the Pennsylvania DOT by "anti-skid" material - a mixture of salt and bottom ash.  The salt (KCl) comes from salt mines in northern OH, the bottom ash (or the "anti-skid" component of the mixture) is the waste by-product from the burning of coal.  This bottom ash is rich in manganese, magnesium, zinc, arsenic, iron, copper, and various other heavy metals.  Though the PADEP classifys this material as "residual waste" and must be landfilled - stored on impenetrable liners systems with the leachate collected and treated - it is allowed to be spread all over the roadways in the winter.  With the snow melt and runoff, where does all of this "toxic" brew of metal laden water go?  Into streams, rivers, ponds, lakes, and wetlands!  Ever see the stunted growth of grass, or weeds, along roadways come spring?

 

It's not "Big Oil" or "Big Gas" that is the biggest or worst polluter in Pennsylvania, it's the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Permalink Reply by Deborah Kittner Johnson on July 15, 2012 at 11:47am

Corned-deer.

I recall the big piles of snow plowed from the roads being dumped into the Allegheny River in Warren each year. Covered with black stuff that I assume is oil/gasoline wastes from vehicles, and the 'salt' which made me think the fish would die. What you are describing raises the bar. 

For some reason, 'fracking', has become the big-bad and other concerns remain out-of-site. In your all opinion, what is different about fracking today compared to the past 5-6 decades?

Permalink Reply by lynn on July 14, 2012 at 8:17am

I feel sorry for these kids.   They're  like a barge loose on a river.  No strength of their own just shoved ahead of the first current that hits them.   In their case that first current happened to be an anti-energy group with pockets deep enough to pay their way.  They've probably never had to face consequences for their actions, hopefully they will learn that lesson before they get someone seriously injured or killed.   

Permalink Reply by MSgt Frederick G. Scott on July 15, 2012 at 5:23am

See Hannah Morgan down at the failed Occupy Wall Street demonstrations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjTdDLoBNl4

3uq96odaochmjPermalink Reply by 3uq96odaochmj on July 15, 2012 at 6:24am

If Hannah believes that our Government is so corrupt, then why is she protesting private businesses? Government sets the laws and regulations that private business operates by, and Govt. makes those laws.  She should march her little butt down to Washington D.C. and protest in front of the place where P-BO currently occupies.

Permalink Reply by Dave on July 15, 2012 at 5:53am

as the story goes I would be out on bail and someone would be in the e.r having the rocksalt removed from there posterior.

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