Attention PA landowners

Tom Wolf claims to be a politician who thinks outside the box. A new tax is not thinking outside the box. Landowners and consumers ultimately pay this new tax.
http://www.wolfforpa.com/sections/page/marcellus-shale

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Permalink Reply by gary smith on February 20, 2014 at 8:08am

elect democrats. kill fracking and jobs.

Permalink Reply by Ragnars Repo on February 20, 2014 at 8:52am
I don't care if it's a republican or democrat. That's not the point. We have enough taxes in this state. If the state needs more money than the state needs to make cuts. If the state needs more money perhaps the politicians could put their noodles together and figure out a way to attract new business. I know, how about giving young people a reason to stay or move to this state, not jump ship as soon as they are old enough to leave home.
Permalink Reply by Geo5 on February 20, 2014 at 8:50am

The only resources that Pennsylvania owns are the ones underneath the state parks and Game lands.  I own the resources underneath my property!  The people in the Cities already get enough of my money!

Permalink Reply by Geo5 on February 20, 2014 at 9:02am

I know the impact fees are not allowed to be passed on to landowners, but since we don't have a severance tax yet, how is it law that cant be passed to landowners.  My lease with Shell allows for us to share the Severance tax according to our percent of royalty, if one were to be passed.  It would surprise me if your lease with shell didn't have that  also. 

Permalink Reply by wyalusing jim on February 20, 2014 at 9:27am

incorrect matthew, only the impact fee is precluded from being assessed against landowners.

a severance tax would be assessed on a percentage basis against all production.

that would amount to another of those deductions from our royalties that landowners are now screaming about.

so it doesn't make sense to me at least, how landowners can be against post production expense deductions from their royalties and yet in favor of the state deducting an additional 4-6% to pay for higher teachers salaries in Philadelphia.

Permalink Reply by rmc on February 20, 2014 at 9:52am
Think of it like this if the state implies a severance tax then I suppose the State would want to start monitoring the production in the state instead of taking the producers word for it. Of course you will never hear a politician talking about the expense of that.
That sure would make a it lot easier for landowners to prove in court that the oil and gas companies where cheating if they had evidence that was admissible in court.
Permalink Reply by rmc on February 20, 2014 at 10:21am
I believe that's why everyone receiving royalties should belong to a organization. so there rights could be represented in the drafting of new laws by the lobbyist we all dislike.
Look at it like this if everyone in PA collecting royalties where paying a percentage of there royalties to a group. The Oil and gas companies would think twice before ignoring you're lease etc.
Imagine the political power an organization such as this would have.
Now the million dollar question HOW? And how long will we continue to let this companies steal from us?
Permalink Reply by wyalusing jim on February 20, 2014 at 10:48am

you're just kidding yourself with that approach rmc, the state will never provide us with any extra measure of accountability or protection regarding our royalties. the state cannot even manage to collect all of the taxes owed to it by citizens and corporations. it will simply collect the taxes and squander that additional revenue in higher populated areas of the state to buy votes. there will be no accounting or accountability to us mineral owners.

also consider that the dep production reporting system is already notoriously inaccurate, in some cases not even close to what mineral owners are seeing on their statements. not a good track record so far.

and if a mineral owner ever hopes to prevail in litigation against his lesse(s) for underpayment of royalties, it won't be enough in court, to pull out some state collected figures, he will need to perform a forensic audit documenting in detail, the specifics of the case. think tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs before you ever have your day in court.

Permalink Reply by Jim Litwinowicz on February 20, 2014 at 9:56am

Matt; six months ago the Dem Caucus in Pa voted for a statewide moratorium on HVHF. No Dem gov candidate has come out against it, AFAIK.

Permalink Reply by gary smith on February 20, 2014 at 12:07pm

the Pennsylvania democratic committee has a policy to ban fracking. that's a fact.

Permalink Reply by Ragnars Repo on February 20, 2014 at 12:43pm
Agreed. Both disgusting sides of the political spectrum can use it to an advantage. Whether using it to say they are creating jobs, or against it to claim environmental high ground, to taxing it for the common good, or accepting bribes from the companies themselves, fracking is here to stay.
Permalink Reply by wyalusing jim on February 20, 2014 at 2:44pm

a lot of folks in new York state never thought it would be possible either. then when a moratorium was enacted, they never thought it would last long. now 5 years later they can't believe that it won't be over soon.

what?? hope springs eternal?

it most certainly can happen here in pa, quickly and easily.

it's simple, vote stupid, ya get stupid. vote smart, at least ya got a better chance of not getting stupid.

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