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Permalink Reply by Gene Water Recycler aka.PPC on September 26, 2010 at 2:47pm

Talisman is a first rate group, they will use fencing and sound barriers. The db levels should be much less then the lawn mower at that same site. Go speak to the neighbor or the folks at the local office if you want to ask.

Permalink Reply by Diane on October 12, 2010 at 2:30pm

I have a really nice photo of what the traffic looks like at one Asylum Township impoundment that I passed. At least, I was on some random farm dirt road somewhere in Asylum or Terry Township when I ran into this impoundment and the approximately 16 trucks which were strung along the otherwise empty dirt road for probably a quarter of a mile. Good luck with the traffic. Wish that they showed the owners of property pictures like the one I took BEFORE they signed up for an impoundment. But then, of course, they might never sign. The impoundment is a CHK one, but I don't think it makes any difference.

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Permalink Reply by Frank Walker on October 14, 2010 at 11:51am

Those photos are a rude awakening for us . . so troubling. It's not just the ugliness of all those trucks, it's the thought that they all almost certainly are sitting there idling. The pollution is going to be inescapable for those living down wind. That's not how we live now. Our air is clean.

It seems only one truck can use the impoundment at a time. That's crazy, but that's how it is apparently.

Maybe it's time for us to sell this farm . . if there is still time. This makes me sad. It's not how we want to live.

Permalink Reply by Rick B on January 21, 2012 at 6:09am

must be you don"t like truck drivers

Permalink Reply by Rick B on January 21, 2012 at 6:12am

just an FYI. I looked at your pictures. you were in Tuscarora township on county line road. I have hauled water there many times. with the last time being last week.

Permalink Reply by Steampunk on October 13, 2010 at 3:02am

Having worked in the mining industry, and what they have to have in place for impoundment ponds, I'm shocked re: how little regulation there is of the gas industry impoundments. From what I've seen there is little in place to stop possible overflow out of the ponds. The brine water kept in impoundments is pretty nasty stuff.

Permalink Reply by David on October 15, 2010 at 5:44am

Frank,

I'm sure you would have many takers if you really want to see your farm.

Permalink Reply by Brian Oram, PG on October 17, 2010 at 7:55am

Freshwater impoundment - if it does not contain flow back water etc. This should be fine, but it depends where it is located and how it is constructed. I have been on a few sites - where the liners are being placed on pits with steep walls wth angular rock fragments. No underdrains - no leakage monitoring, etc. I would suggest a discussion with your neighbor and learn as much as you clean.

If the ponds store flow back, frac water with chemicals added, or brine water - I do not like this method - the method should be closed looped with all water going back to a tank.

Permalink Reply by beth hamm on January 19, 2011 at 10:44am

 

how far in miles is the frack pond going to supply?  we hear of one coming to our neighbors farm that will hold all the water to frack all wells in all directions for 6 miles. does that sound right????  that is a lot of water and above ground pipelines to get to other well pads.   hear from the surveyors  that the pond will be 6 acres to supply the water to all the g/o wells to be done.

Permalink Reply by FXEF on January 20, 2011 at 3:58pm

Beth, 

 

To fracture stimulate the average horizontal gas well it will take approximatively 186,000 bbls or 7,812,000 gallons of water per well. The above ground pipes are temporary and will be removed once the frac operation is completed.

Permalink Reply by Barbara on January 21, 2011 at 5:30am

'Fresh water'.....is defined by Chesapeake as water from the Susquehanna ....even after it has been used for fracking....................the company removes four chemicals and then it is 'fresh water'. 

This was told to me by a landman wanting to put a waterline on my land.  When I asked him just what this pipeline would carry, he said only water from the Susquehanna.  I asked if this would be 'fresh water' and he said yes.  I said that then, if that is the case, I can drink it, right?  He said that no, I probably wouldn't want to do that. As I pressed for the answer to just what this water actually is, I got the definition above.

This pipeline would be used to transport 'fresh water' from one IMPOUNDMENT POND to another, that is the only thing.  I asked what is in the impoundment ponds he again said 'fresh water'.  I asked if this was 'his kind' of fresh water or what I would call 'fresh water'.  Again, it was water from the Susquehanna and after fracking the company 'treats' it to remove four chemicals. The brine and all the other chemicals and contaminants from the fracking are still in it he confirmed to me.  This is why the ponds are surrounded by high fences, razor wire, etc..  I asked him why all this fencing if it is 'fresh water' and he said this is to keep people from tampering with the water or drowning.  I asked if I would be allowed to get a sample for testing from a pond and he said that was not up to him.  Would Chesapeake then let me?  He thought that this was restricted.  My logic over and over was that if this is 'fresh water' as most people would think of 'fresh water', then why can't it be tested independently.

Soooooo, know that if you have a pond it will contain essentially used frack water; there are currently few regulations/requirements as to the construction of the pond itself in terms of what thickness/kind of liner and also what kind of a bed this is put upon.  There have been many instances of leaking liners, I understand, from PA and in other states with this type of hydrofracing drilling going on.There are also no overflow regulations...or any provisions for reclamation of contaminated soil should a leak or spill occur.

Should I have a water pipeline it would be transferring 'fresh water' from one impoundment to another to be used again for fracking .  This is for the noble cause...my term...of reusing the water to reduce the quantity of water being removed from the Susquehanna.

By the way....there are presently no regulations regarding what is in the water that gets returned to the Susquehanna.  It is said to be only 'fresh water'.  And I don't know this for a fact, but a friend told me yesterday that the fish caught in the Susquehanna are not to be eaten. 

Permalink Reply by Brian Oram, PG on January 22, 2011 at 5:00am

My comments are as follows:

1. Get it in writing - this should include the purpose of the structure and what will be held in the structure.  A conversation is not the important step - get it in writing.

2. how will it (the pond) be constructed and what will they do with it when they are done - will they reclaim the area - will they pay for loss of use and crop or timber loss.

3. Hold harmless clause - You are not liable if it leaks.

4. Fencing is good - because it protects against idiots - but there is an aesthetic loss - this has a cost.

5. Get your lawyer involved and review your existing leases.

6. If the pond will hold both freshwater from the Susquehanna and treated reuse water - it is likely it will require an PADEP permit, properly lining, and you should make sure that they document baseline water quality and monitoirng groundwater quality.

7. If this a permanent fixture - you may want to have an underdrain system - this way if there is a leak it is contained and can be recirculated, collected - before impacting others or you.

 

Just my thoughts

 

Brian Oram, PG

http://www.bfenvironmental.com

 

 

Is the water from the Susquehanna drinkable - NO. 

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