One more study proving fracing is safe

No impact to water from Marcellus shale fracking. From Penn Energy:

http://www.pennenergy.com/index/petroleum/display/6873964372/articl...

For all the antis on this board: what do you have to say now? You are standing in quicksand.

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Permalink Reply by ji on June 1, 2012 at 12:15pm

It doesn't irritate me fang. I've got five kids. 3 teenagers. You and anybody else can say what you want, I don't care. I enjoy reading it. I say what I want but I don't do it offensively. I'm not an anti either.  I just don't like to see environmental abuse. 

Permalink Reply by lynn on May 31, 2012 at 4:04pm

The epa is doing another study on whether fracing causes drinking water contamination.   I am not as educated as some of you seem to be.   That said what I have noticed over the last few years is that the epa seems to be very good at 'studying' things until they find 'answers' that meet particular agendas.  Most disturbing to me is that as in the case of Dimock Pa they loudly proclaim their first conclusion that fracing contaminated the groundwater.  Then when the facts don't add up they quietly proclaim that it did not.  This condemn first, study second method has done more to turn public opinion against drilling than any made for profit movie ever could, and I for one do not believe that it is accidental.

Permalink Reply by fotto on May 31, 2012 at 4:31pm

David, yes the argument of the non sick workers vs. those living nearby with complaints is a bit of a paradigm isn't it? I don't know the answer, but I suspect that given the visibility and studies underway, this should get vetted over the next few years along with the water concerns.

In the meantime, our ODNR will continue to regulate permitting with no local authority or input except for road use maintenance agreements and the like, and folks like me will have to deal with whatever negative impacts we incur as a result. Believe me, I've tried to take a positive attitude towards this, but every day something new comes up such as banks denying mortgages on leased land, and one recently denied for a disconnected property across from the well. How can one really keep their chin up in this environment, even taking any potential environmental issues off the table?

Permalink Reply by David Perotto on May 31, 2012 at 10:29pm
Jeff,
I agree. Trust the Oil and Gas industry but verify the are non distorting their facts. We can always learn more, no matter what side of the fence you are on.
Dave
Permalink Reply by ji on June 1, 2012 at 1:19pm
Permalink Reply by ji on June 1, 2012 at 1:25pm

Keep reading fang..last 2 sentences..."the truth in Dimock is that hydraulic fracturing did not cause frack fluids to contaminate water wells, but gas did migrate as a result of errors in drilling the gas wells.  Hopefully that truth will not be a casualty of the Dimock water wars.

Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on June 1, 2012 at 1:33pm

ji does not seem to realize that he presented an article that debunks his basic premise.

 

ji, what part of "EPA said the water test results at 20 more homes in Dimock had no contaminants at levels that presented health concern." do you not understand?

 

JS

Permalink Reply by ji on June 1, 2012 at 1:45pm

Read what I said in previous post. I said only Methane came from marcellus gas wells. nothing was said about other contaminates. " It takes tap water that ignites like charcoal lighter fluid and a movie  to get casing upgrades."

"Unsafe levels of methane (which is not toxic and which, therefore, is not a health contaminant) in some water wells were documented since 2009, and comprehensive testing and other investigative actions done by the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection documented that mistakes in the gas drilling phase caused gas to migrate to 18 water wells.  The gas in 18 water wells was not natural or in them, before drilling took place in 2008. As a result of plugging of gas wells and repairs of others that the DEP ordered, methane levels in 13 of them fell to concentrations below the action standard by December 2010."  

Permalink Reply by ji on June 2, 2012 at 4:09am

Jeff;

The 3 incidents I mentioned are not unsubstantiated.  I have posted links regarding them. Youngstown earthquake was from faulty injection well for disposal of frac water. Contaminated public drinking in Pittsburgh area came from frac water discharges to sewage treatment plants.  Methane in Dimock water wells came from faulty Marcellus gas wells. 

Permalink Reply by David Perotto on June 2, 2012 at 5:23am

No Ji,

Injection wells are for hazardous waste disposal, some of which is frac water. Big difference from your statement. Methane in Dimock came from biogenic methane, not thermogenic. Do you know/understand the difference?

Permalink Reply by ji on June 2, 2012 at 5:59am

Youngstown injection well was for oil and gas waste only. They are not permitted to accept hazardous waste. As far as the methane in Dimock, why don't you email Mr. Hanger (former Pa DEP Chief) and correct him. I'm sure it would have more meaning coming from you than me.

Permalink Reply by David Perotto on June 2, 2012 at 6:00am

I asked you a question, can you answer it?

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