Greeen Fracking

I was curious if anyone knew of any companies that have developed any environmentally friendly means of fracking other than the big ones like Halliburton and Slumberger?

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Permalink Reply by time will tell on July 31, 2012 at 4:30am

Jack , I must comment on your thoughts in reguards to the comparison of chemicals found in house hold items .

In a controlled setting like in  your home it pails in comparison by volume . In our homes their's not the VOC's that are brought up from  to the formations .

As you know some of the anti-corrosion agents are so harsh that teaspoons can contaminate large amounts of water .

I know this because of the illegal acts done on my farm by a environmental company owner- driller .

I had testing done on my farm after losing my crops and finding dead animals .My point is comparing 

house hold chemicals to fracking isn't really fair . Yes they share some of the same components -

less radiation from beneath the ground but the amounts are my point .

I am PRO drilling so long as it is done safely .

The green fracking question is fair and should not be totally  linked to wacko's or total anti's .

I have heard of Nitro - fracking but do not know much about it .If anyone knows more about it 

please share .

The real question should be the quality of the cement being used and the casing that protects 

the clean water from production fluid .

Permalink Reply by rheesen on July 31, 2012 at 4:46am

Look guys,

I started this thread to learn about new technologies developing in the hydraulic fracturing industry.  I never said that it was unsafe and really don't care about whether you think it is or not.  Its pretty fair to state that the "green movement" has affected nearly every industry in the US, especially from a PR perspective.  I was just curious how this trend is showing itself in the fracing world.  I know halliburton has CleanStim, Slumburger has their "green" line of products.  Also, new technologies are being developed by Frac Tech, Flotek, and a variety of other companies.  I was just curious if there are any other companies I have missed.  The first two comments were great.  I am trying to learn about technologies here, so please only provide data and keep your opinions to yourself regarding if you think it is safe or not.

Please only add to this thread if you have something constructive to help me learn about the technologies being developed.

I'd really appreciate if this thread didn't turn into just another one were people keep telling each other how stupid they think they are.  Let's try to keep it professional.

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Permalink Reply by time will tell on July 31, 2012 at 5:36am

Well Rohun  you just did what you asked others not to do . Later 

Permalink Reply by rheesen on July 31, 2012 at 5:59am

Sorry if you were offended.  I am just tired of having my threads hijacked, having people call me an idiot, and not getting any new information to help my write my paper for my college class.  Didn't mean to offend.

Permalink Reply by time will tell on July 31, 2012 at 6:41am

No problem Rohun , you might want to check into the fracking process using nitro

to fracture the rock . Good luck on your  paper .

Permalink Reply by rheesen on July 31, 2012 at 6:42am

Thanks

Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on July 31, 2012 at 8:03am

RE: "information to help my write my paper for my college class"

 

Now, understanding your rationale for posing your initial question helps us in responding in a useful fashion.

The industry are doubtless sensitive to criticism and want to publicize their efforts to improve on fracing technology.
You might find useful information on the corporate websites of those O&G companies active in the Marcellus, Utica, Bakken, Eaglesford, and other shale plays. This may be addressed within their annual reports (if not elsewhere on their respective websites).


I would suggest:

Chesapeake,
Cabot,
REX,
Range Resources,
Chevron (Atlas),
Consol (CNX),
Shell,
EXXON,
Haliburton,
Schlumberger


Also, check out the Gasfrac website: www.gasfrac.com

 

ALL IMHO,
                         JS

Permalink Reply by monroe on August 1, 2012 at 7:28am

www.fracfocus.org has a lot of information on the compounds used. Also to all of the people it is frac'ing not fracking (not trying to be mean but you will look more informed on the matter when using it in this context, a big pet peeve in the industry, frac comes from hydraulic fracturing not "frackturing") Sorry enough for my rant, when it comes to nitrogen frac's answer a little questions to yourself first. Why are liquids and the chemicals that are pumped used? The purpose of fracturing is to open a network of channels in your reservoir matrix that greatly increases your porosity and perm. To keep this increase in your formation you pump proppant (this depends on what formation your dealing with temps and pressures, you use sand, or ceramic coated sand or stronger proppant etc.) If you would not pump this proppant your formation would return together not keeping those channels open. The water pumped helps spread this proppant deeper into your fractures so your fracture doesn't reseal. The chemicals are mainly used to "gel" the water. Also crosslinkers such as guar are used (guar is used in different foods) these crosslinkers will gel the water with an additive, and return to liquid when another additive is added. Really cool to watch in the lab. So with all that said you can see the problem using nitrogen and gas to fracture, not enough proppant carry and dispersement. Also you have to use much higher pressures with nitrogen due to the fact there is no hydrostatic pressure like the entire column of fluid. Nitrogen has been used for awhile but is mainly used in low pressure depleted areas that don't need much proppant (higher perm and higher porosity, opposite of shale which is high pressure, low perm, and low porosity). Gasfrac if I am correct uses NGL's such as propane that are liquid in the formation to help carry the proppant (don't quote me on this). The problem that this will encounter is when the anti-frac'ers start to catch on they will go crazy over the fact we are pumping gas into the ground (once again doesn't make sense but it has been seen with the complaints over diesel)

There is a lot of information on these topics and I don't mind people who even argue against it as long as they are educated in the matter. The majority of anti-frac'ers are very misinformed and don't research and understand what they are protesting about. The largest issue is misinterpretation and miscommunication from both sides. The anti-frac'ers and in general are uneducated on the matter and the oil companies aren't doing enough to teach what is going on in my opinion, which is a lot easier said than done.

Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on August 1, 2012 at 9:11am

RE: "all of the people it is frac'ing not fracking"

I am glad to see that I am not the only person who ckringes when they see a "k" inappropriately inserted.

Oil Ckompanies do not frack their wells, they frac their wells.

I ckhoose not to add a "k" that does not belong.

Don't look like a dumb ckunt, drop the "k".

 

All IMHO,

                  JS

Permalink Reply by monroe on August 1, 2012 at 12:17pm

I was not trying to be mean, not trying to get attacked. I was trying to help rohun understand a little better and hopefully everyone else that read this. I hope that everyone can be more educated on this topic which is a very hot and sore subject. I don't mind discussing the issues people have with frac'ing as long as they are educated on the matter. I was not attacking people on using a K i was just explaining that if you try and discuss this with some industry people and you use a k they assume that you are extremely uneducated on the topic and render most of your argument invalid.... Sorry for helping

Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on August 1, 2012 at 12:50pm

RE: "I was not trying to be mean, not trying to get attacked."

Monroe, I think that you misunderstood my comments.

I am in full agreement, it is frac (not frack).

No intent to attack you; the opposite, just attempting to reinforce your welcome comment (with a bit of feeble humor).

When I see the "k", I really do cringe. I associate "frack" with an anti-frac "attack"; as it is usually the unknowledgeable who attack fracing that insist on inserting the "k".

I appreciate that you brought up what we consider to be the correct spelling - no "k" in fracture.

 

All IMHO,

                   JS

Permalink Reply by Rachael M Rollson on August 6, 2012 at 2:46am

Obviously totally off topic, but i thought that the "k" was perfectly acceptable in the vernacular use? Therefore, either way could be correct.  This technological conversation has come up fast in our culture and generally social language reflects that. If enough people use it, it becomes part of the language; whether you think it is correct or not.

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