Water line price per linear foot
Water pipeline and gas pipelines are not the same.
The gas company is wanting to run a water line through our property.
They pay the landowner for the timber..etc all that stuff.
But here's the thing:
They pay the landowner per linear foot.
They say they won't go over $20 per foot.
BUT..the ROW they need beside each foot is 35 ft.
In other words, the gas company will pay $20 for a WHOPPING 75 FREAKING FEET!!
AND: we cannot ever build, use,do anything on that ENTIRE 1/2 acre of ROW they have only paid $20 bucks for.
We will have to pay taxes for the next 50 years on LAND that we own..but will not ever use.
Think I'm done? Not yet. One way of another..they are going to use our land whether we like it or not...even if they have to put the pipeline above ground.
They are working with us and looking at options to re route on our land.
This is a WATER pipe line. Us anyone else dealing with this? A gas pipe line and water line are not the same thing.
So..anyone know anything about this?
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Permalink Reply by H Bale on
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Not arguing your basic question, just wanting to make sure I understand your numbers.
Is the ROW to be 35 ft either side of the pipeline or 35 ft total. You're indicating a total area of 1/2 acre, so if the ROW is the 75 ft you're talking around $6,000? If the ROW is 35 ft then you're losing use of 1/4 acre for the same money.
Not saying the money is good, just want to be sure of how much land you are losing the use of.
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Permalink Reply by Skip on
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I'm skips wife..hope my post doesn't sound mean or anything.
The gas company will pay for the foot that the pipe line sits on.
They only pay for the feet that the water line itself will take up.
Linear foot...straight forward.
Beside of each foot...they need a width of 35 feet on each side if that one foot. 35 feet--water line--35 feet.
They do not pay for the 35 feet on each side of the one foot.
So if we tell them we will take $20 per foot, then they have only had to pay $20 for 71 feet. And we don't even know how long they want it to go.
The ROW or easement states that we cannot use, build, obstruct or do anything within that 71 ft. Yet...we still will have to pay taxes on it.
It doesn't make sense...
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Permalink Reply by JK on -
Skip's wife,
Did you see the thread your husband has on GMS all about this?
There is a lot of information there.
You can do a search or go to your GMS and see all of the pages.
As I recall you are dealing with Chevron? and you can not be too hard on them.
They're in it to win it. Plus don't forget they can put other pipelines in for other products.
This is your only chance to get it right or you live with it forever.
It's a ROW!!!
It really does sound like you need a O&G good lawyer QUICK!!
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Yes! And we thank you so much for your input and advice. That has helped us tremendously! We are in Marshall county.
They tell us that other landowners over on the other ridge has signed the ROW's. Now they are on the next phase if it which is out territory. I guess they figured out a long time ago by arial view where the water line would go. It's kind of interesting to think that all of us live in the heart of Marcellas and Utica. I've watched them building that plant over the last year and they still have a ways to go. Never seen anything like it! It's fascinating. They are suppose to have 12 wells over there...so hope that means royalties.
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Yes I understood that you would be paid by the linear foot of the actual pipeline. I just was not sure from the way Skip worded the first post if it was 35 feet or 71 feet wide.
71 feet seems rather excessive for apparently a 12 inch water line. As JK suggests below, whoever the gas company is they can bury a lot of pipe in a strip of land that wide once they have it tied up. Like JK says, get a good O&G lawyer soonest. A guess on my part is, they eventually want to put in more than one line, they just don't want to tell you that at the outset.
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Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on
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RE: “They pay the landowner per linear foot.
They say they won't go over $20 per foot.”
A lot of factors go into what you might consider to be fair compensation.
Paying for ROW by the linear foot is a standard practice.
But, I like to calculate what it means in acreage lost; after all it is the area that is directly impacted that is more meaningful.
Not sure whether this is of any use, but I have made some “back of the envelope” calculations for the proposed 70’ wide ROW:
43,560 square feet/acre divided by 70 feet wide ROW = 622 linear feet of ROW per acre
(every 622 linear feet of ROW will “capture” one acre within that ROW)
At the proposed compensation of $20/linear foot of ROW x 622 linear feet of ROW per acre, you would be paid $12,440 per acre of land that is within the ROW easement.
Of course the presence of a pipeline and pipeline easement can negatively impact the value of adjacent land.
What constitutes fair compensation is (in my opinion) what makes you happy.
All IMHO,
JS
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Permalink Reply by Oliver Perry on
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Skip's Wife,
You stated: "Think I'm done? Not yet. One way of another..they are going to use our land whether we like it or not...even if they have to put the pipeline above ground."
They can't use your land if you don't want them to and you don't sign. I don't think they have the power to force you to sign a ROW.
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Quite didn't think so either. But they are not going to let some petty landowners stop a multi-billion dollar corporation..that will be that is predicted to be their biggest plant world-wide. Now,they are being nice..negotiating with us and all.. But the bottom line is this: they are going to have a water line one way or another whether we sign or not. It's complicated and hard to believe..I know. We are most definitely getting a lawyer and they even said that they will pay for those expenses
as well..
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Permalink Reply by JK on
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Good for you!
Did you see all the comments of your husband's thread?
All of it was good for you all.
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Permalink Reply by Debbie on
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Sounds like you are in a good negotiating position if they are willing to pay the legal expenses. They either need or want to cross your land pretty bad. When negotiating our ROW (water), we were more concerned about the "quality of life" issues such as placement of line, access points, clearing of timber, etc. and found the company was more than willing to give those things to us. We talked money afterwards. Plus it certainly helped that without our cooperation the line wasn't going in at all!
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Hi Debbie!! My husband and I are doing our negotiations exactly the way you all did. I asked about the price here on this forum and we have talked some to chevron about what they are willing to pay, but our main concern is our land.
Where they want to put the line is priceless land to us.
That is prime property that we are giving to our grown children. One of our kids have already started construction.
So..until we get the issue straightened out about where they want to put the line vs. where we give them permission is in the works.
I know they can eventually do what they want..but for now..unless they agree with us about where to put the line..actually walking the property..then there's no need to discuss price. A
And if they do agree and don't give us the price we want..then all bets are off at this point. At that point, they will have to fight us because we are not going to pay taxes did tags next 50 years on property that they have a ROW on. That land would be basically useless to us. We'd be crazy to allow such a thing. Then they would have to fight us. But thanks for your input and advice!
Skips wife! :)
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