Reclaiming land.

I am considering leasing my 30 acres in beautiful Monroe County Ohio. My property is beautiful with a stream ,waterfall, mature trees and I planned on building someday on this "park like setting". My question is; what will my property look like after fracking? Will they reclaim the land to they way it used to be or will it forever look like a construction zone. Will beautiful Monroe County end up looking like a bad dream eventually. I know we all need cash in this economy and myself being one of them but will my property be worthless and basically a nasty sight to behold if I allow fracking to take place. All with the hope that they "might hit gas" or "they might include all of my acres in the unit". This all sounds like a huge gamble for the hopes of some easy money. Kind of like the lottery and we all know of the horror stories attributed to the lottery.

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Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 2, 2013 at 1:57pm
Our land is located in Southeastern Ashtabula County (Northeast Ohio).

Thanks for the info.
Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on September 2, 2013 at 2:23pm

It is a Government holiday.  No one to reboot the server.  I would try the links again tomorrow. 

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 2, 2013 at 2:35pm
We'll give it another try tomorrow.
Permalink Reply by Therese Aigner on September 3, 2013 at 2:29am

To: Mr. Jeff Polara

We would recommend that you DO NOT allow "FRAKING" on your land. You will wind up with a Brownfield; due to the toxicity of the HAZWASTE generated at the well sites and the mismanagement of the HAZWASTE.

We would like to discuss this matter with you in greater detail.

Ms. Therese Aigner, CES, Chair - Regulatory Oversight Group (ROG)

 

Permalink Reply by lynn on September 3, 2013 at 11:17am

Dear Miss Aligner: You are on the wrong site to get away with your fearmongering.  Fracing as an activity has never caused water contamination.  Frac water flowback and drill cuttings are disposed of according to state regulations.  Any company caught breaking state law will be prosecuted as in the case of D&L energy in Youngstown.  That company has lost their license and has been charged millions for the cleanup of the creek they dumped into.  Interestingly water treatment plants downstream have not found contamination in their water despite the claim that thousands of gallons of brine were improperly dumped upstream.  You claim that acreage around a drill site will be turned into 'brownfields'.  Please post pictures of those sites with their addresses, I'm sure we'd all like to see them.

Permalink Reply by al raptoria on September 12, 2013 at 6:56am

Whoah! How about a little diplomacy and respect here. I am trying to negotiate the best possible lease for my three considerably sized parcels BUT I am aware of the DAMAGES fracking has and is causing elsewhere.  Do your due diligence, and not just on forums where anybody can post any old opinion, baseless or factual, and let's understand that one can be really concerned, truly educated about this industry's carelessness while still wanting to prudently and cautiously lease to them!  Use some logic - this forum is FULL of landowners' complaints about how the laws and the industry are tilted to benefit the gas and oil companies way more than the landowners, and billions of  gas/oil dollars have been spent to make and keep it that way. Does anybody really think that their "protection money" stops at just the contracts with US? It extends to EVERY aspect of their business including keeping the damages THEY do to the water being" legally" kept out of the Clean Water Act's coverage - thank you Mr. Cheney for your corruption. So let's give time and space to people who present different views and who invite us to hear their side off site. That's how we all learn and make up our own minds. Still America, right?

Permalink Reply by lynn on September 3, 2013 at 11:34am

Mr Polara;  Please visit Carroll county-it is currently the epicenter of drilling activity.  Drilling is still in its infancy so few sites have been totally reclaimed but you'll find the county and its beautiful countryside is intact.   If you do not want them on your surface do as many have suggested here-sign a non-surface lease.  Also consider that if you are one of the lucky ones and become part of a unit what is under your land may pay for not only the construction of your dream home but also its maintenance for many years to come.

Permalink Reply by al raptoria on September 12, 2013 at 7:02am

..and add to your dream home water filtration for unknown chemicals and the air filters for your family and your animals. The trees are on their own. READ the recent objective and scientific report on the alarming incidences of asthma, etc among kids and others within a few miles of fracking sites - you don't have to lease to be adversely affected by what your neighbors have done. The report further states as fact that air pollution (with carcinogens) is going to be a bigger and more widespread threat than water pollution. They bring plastic (also a carcinogen) water tanks to you when they ruin your water, what are they going to offer you to replace your oxygen? Again, I am TRYING to LEASE, I want "in the game" but only as prudently as I can be! Even if I don't lease, I'm downstream and I breathe, so I want some of that bonus money to protect what's mine, and to have a piece of paper, LEASE AGREEMENT to ensure the safety of my family and the  land best I can - not just for me, but for my neighbors' kids' kids who may have been left out of THEIR considerations when they hastily signed away all rights and for $500 an acre.

Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on September 4, 2013 at 3:11am

I found this book helpful when I was deciding whether or not lease my 82 acres.

http://www.amazon.com/End-Country-Dispatches-Frack-Zone/dp/08129806...

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/opinion/sunday/fracking-on-my-lan... 

It is written buy a landowner in Susquehanna County, PA.  It is an interesting read about his experience with leasing his mother’s farm.

 

 

Permalink Reply by Keith Mauck (Site Publisher) on September 4, 2013 at 9:50am

If you were to allow drilling ,take a look here at this previous discussion

http://gomarcellusshale.com/forum/topics/before-after-site-reclamat...

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 4, 2013 at 10:21am
A very nicely reclaimed single vertical site.

We'd have no problem with something like that on our lands.

The Utica multi-vertical / lateral five acre pad and associated activity / ancillaries would be another matter however. That degree of industrialization would ruin our place.
Permalink Reply by lynn on September 4, 2013 at 3:49pm

I wish one of the landowners on here who is drilled would send pictures of what has and is happening.  Unfortunately this whole play is still new and because we're still very short on infrastructure I doubt if there are any who have had their sites totally reclaimed.  Once pipelines are in we'll start seeing the reclamation process in high gear.  As others have said the lease is the most important part of what happens to each landowner's property.                                                                                 What I do know is that after watching the shallow drilling that went on in the 1980's the way drilling is done now is significantly more landowner and township friendly than it was then, not to mention neater.  Back then around me when it was wet everything was pulled from the road to the drill site with a dozer then pulled back to the road again.  Mud on the side roads would be a foot deep and local farmers were hired with backblades to try to scrape it off if the trucks happened to drag it to a state rt.  Nowdays the drives to the pad site are better than most county and township roads.   Then you could hear the rigs running from a mile away, now they put up sound barriers though I've sat on the road 400' from a horizontal rig with no barrier and could barely hear it running.                                                                                       I don't know what degree of industrialization Joseph is talking about but that is determined by your lease, and as has been said on here multiple times you can sign a non-surface use lease.

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