Reclaiming land.

I am considering leasing my 30 acres in beautiful Monroe County Ohio. My property is beautiful with a stream ,waterfall, mature trees and I planned on building someday on this "park like setting". My question is; what will my property look like after fracking? Will they reclaim the land to they way it used to be or will it forever look like a construction zone. Will beautiful Monroe County end up looking like a bad dream eventually. I know we all need cash in this economy and myself being one of them but will my property be worthless and basically a nasty sight to behold if I allow fracking to take place. All with the hope that they "might hit gas" or "they might include all of my acres in the unit". This all sounds like a huge gamble for the hopes of some easy money. Kind of like the lottery and we all know of the horror stories attributed to the lottery.

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0i7okn54zwbdoPermalink Reply by 0i7okn54zwbdo on September 1, 2013 at 1:50pm

1.) leasing your land does not mean that they'll use any of it for surface operations

2.) it will be reclaimed but not with mature trees

3.) they'll stay away from natural water sources because they're just too much of a headache

4.) there's only a small possibility that you'll end up in a unit anytime soon; companies have hundreds of thousands of acres to drill

5.) between an upfront signing bonus and a string of big royalty checks you may be compelled to build a house somewhere else entirely

6.) if you doubts or reservations and the allure of the money isn't enough to alleviate them then don't do anything and continue to live your life as you did before all of this came around; peace of mind has no price

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 1, 2013 at 2:23pm
No such thing as 'easy money'.
Permalink Reply by Chris on September 1, 2013 at 2:49pm
Either take less money for a no surface lease or don't sign a lease. They first look for a field in non flood plains that are reasonably easy to get to and go from there. Monroe will be a little different since there aren't many flat fields tho. The chances of them puting a well on your property are slim but not impossible. As far a them destroying Monroe county, go visit Carroll county who is 4 years ahead of Monroe
Permalink Reply by al raptoria on September 12, 2013 at 1:42pm

If they want it badly enough non-surface leases can be priced even above their offers for surface leases. I know, because CHK made me such an offer and offered neighbors considerably less. We did not sign. Carizzo just offered $5400 per acre 20% royalty for a nearby NONsurface lease = same as they offered for surface to their neighbors too!

If you are worried about your water and land get ALL assurances, such as nonsurface and regular testing and remediation IN the Lease Agreement.

Permalink Reply by Kathleen on September 1, 2013 at 2:43pm
Even if you personally chose not to sign you could one day be forced in if all your neighbors are signed and a unit is planned. You do not want the State government deciding one day what will be allowed to happen to your property.
Right now you can control what happens on your land by requesting a non-surface Lease. With that in mind you most likely would receive a lower bonus payment, but for your piece of mind, it would be worth it.
Also make sure your lease clearly states, no foriegn pipe lines. Again, this would give you the control of stopping any large pipelines coming in across your property.
A good attorney would know what to exclude and how to word it hopefully for things we can't even think of right now from being placed on your land.
These types of leases are not hard to get and will keep YOUR property clear of any surface disturbance.
Remember there is nothing you can do though from a pad, compressor station, pipes, retention pond, etc.. from going in 500+ feet or so from your property line.
If a pad does come in next door, just hold on for a few months knowing the activity will slow down and soon it will be quiet again.
I was offered $3500 for a no surface lease and $5800 for a lease that did not have that language. I still have no foriegn pipes and compressor stations in the lease, but I only have 19 acres with two houses so I can not really fit a pad, so I went for the higher amount.
Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 1, 2013 at 3:16pm
I've read elsewhere on these pages (currently) that if your land would be force pooled, surface disruption would not be permitted (on your force pooled parcel).

Is this correct or not ?
Permalink Reply by Kathleen on September 1, 2013 at 3:40pm
To me the law reads clear, no surface disturbance, but I wouldn't trust it. Could the driller make a compelling case?
No bonus, but you are forced in anyway. I would just sign a strong no surface lease with bonus at this point, IMO.
Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 1, 2013 at 3:46pm
Also as I've read elsewhere on these pages, force pooling may happen only after the O & G has made fair offer / negotiations fail.

Is that true ?
Permalink Reply by Kathleen on September 1, 2013 at 4:20pm
Again, to me the law says that, but what is a fair offer? If they decide to look and see what the surrounding neighbors got, that could be 5-50 dollars an acre if they signed early. So would it be considered fair to take all the amounts each neighbor got, divide that to find an average and use that as an offer? Would the chief say that's fair? To many maybes for me.
So, now you're in and being forced in could be very lucrative, if the well is good. Again, I wouldn't chance it, since the well has to pay for itself 100-200% (I've read conflicting % of how its considered paid for), before the forced pooled are paid at all, but they are paid 100% of anything pulled up from under them. If CHK was running that well, I bet the well would never be considered, paid for :0).
Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 1, 2013 at 4:37pm
You're interpretations and concerns match ours.

That's why we have been and still are looking for a righteous lease offer.

Good luck to all of us we need it.
Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 1, 2013 at 5:04pm
Seems to me the field is not level but tilted in favor of the O & G companies.

How can a seemingly tilted rule / law be interpreted as protecting everyone's 'correlative rights' ?
Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on September 1, 2013 at 6:28pm
How can any individual / body other than the owner of
anything, determine / establish a sell price for what is
being sold ?

How can even that very pretext be considered fair / protective
of the rights of the owner ?

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