consul inquiry

Consul wants to do a core 3" sample on my land. Any advisement as they want to measure coal thickness and say 8000 ft. is their target. I own gas and oil tights, but not coal.

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Mike MurphyPermalink Reply by Mike Murphy on January 22, 2013 at 5:37pm

here u go again u need to stay on the subject and open a new discussion this stuff has nothing to do with the question ask

 

Permalink Reply by brinlady on January 22, 2013 at 2:18am

If you haven't done so already, check with your state Geological Survey. 

The folks there can explain the possibilities and help you with what questions to ask the Consol rep..

Permalink Reply by Rebecca Loftis on January 22, 2013 at 3:57am

Thanks, how do I do that?

Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on January 22, 2013 at 6:16am

 

The first thing that I would suggest is that you speak with the Consol landman and confirm that he was correct in stating 8000 feet (and that it was not 800 feet).

What you have been told/understand simply does not make sense.

Perhaps the Landman mistakingly said 8000, when he meant to say 800.

Perhaps you mistakingly heard 8000, when he said 800.

Using the words "coal" and "8000 feet deep" in the same conversation does not (in my opinion) make sense.

 

In an earlier post to this discussion bret rothwell suggested a Coal Bed Methane well.

In PA, these wells are rarely more than (at most) 2000 feet deep. Drilling to 1800 feet for Coal Bed Methane would make sense.

Also, the coals suitable for Coal Bed Methane drilling are largely restricted to the Upper Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian period).

8000 feet deep is well into the Devonian; far below where suitable coals would be expected to be present for Coal Bed Methane.

 

All IMHO,

                 JS

 

 

 

 

Permalink Reply by Roger Pyle on January 22, 2013 at 7:45am

Does coal bed methane fall under oil & gas mineral rights or coal rights?

Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on January 22, 2013 at 8:13am

In PA CBM belongs to who owns the Coal.

It may not seem entirely logical, but all methane is not equal.

If the Methane is in a Coal Bed, it is considered Coal related.

If that very same Methane has migrated out of the Coal and into a nearby Sandstone (or other potential reservoir), it is Natural Gas. 

"Under the Pennsylvania Supreme Court's 1983 decision in U.S. Steel Co. v. Hoge, CBM belongs to the owner of the coal in which it occurs rather than the owner of the surface estate. Because the ownership of the coal and surface estates are often (and perhaps usually) separate in Pennsylvania, CBM drillers may be able to lawfully conduct drilling operations on surface owners' land without having to pay a lease fee for drilling rights, pay royalties on gas produced, or, in some instances, obtain the surface owner's approval before siting their operations."

 

This is how things are in PA; but each and every State has the right/ability to come up with their own laws.

 

All IMHO,

                   JS

 

 

 

Permalink Reply by Rebecca Loftis on January 22, 2013 at 7:55am

I probably did hear him wrong. He is supposed to send me something on paper and then I will know what he is talking about.

Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on January 22, 2013 at 8:03am

Rebecca,

               If they want to drill for Coal Bed Methane ... and if your land is in PA, you may wish to read this:

http://www.eckertseamans.com/%5Cfile%5Cpdf%5Calerts%5CEnergyAlertMa...

 

JS

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