Ingraffea speaking in Butler PA Nov. 21

Dr. Tony Ingraffea to Talk About Fracking at Butler Community College

Renowned authority on shale gas drilling, Dr. Tony Ingraffea of Cornell University, has been invited by Marcellus Outreach Butler to talk about the perils of fracking at:

7:00 pm, Thursday, November 21
Succop Theater
Butler Community College
107 College Drive, Butler, PA 16002

Free to the public. 

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Permalink Reply by Frankie Jo on December 28, 2013 at 12:27am

Not sure what your goals are, but I'm done feeding the troll. Good luck.

Permalink Reply by Rodney T Hytonen on December 28, 2013 at 1:13am

"Trolls" hit and run.

I'm not going anywhere.

(I wish people would look up words before they presume to use them. And not on FOX or Drudge.)

"Goals?" Education, as opposed to what they will see here and tragically believe.

Permalink Reply by George Brown on December 29, 2013 at 10:16am

I'm with Frankie Jo. Rodney is an unabashed communist troll. Trying to reason with him is impossible.  He has his talking points and he is motivated by religious fervor. Trying to change his mind is analogous to trying to convince the pope that Jesus didn't exist. It is a waste of time, but I do appreciate the efforts of those who would attempt to educate him.

Permalink Reply by Rodney T Hytonen on December 28, 2013 at 12:49am

I would substitute the example of hip replacements.

 

I have noticed all the fracking proponents are concetrated  southern Ritchie city, where the history of drilling has all been vertical until very recently, and many there (like probably yourself, or you are one of the few "glowing examples" they use strategically to ensnare leases and "prove" that they clean up) - work in or for the industry. They are HIGHLY vocal but VERY few.. and haven't yet learned you can't "clean up" legally classified persistent and cumulative carcinogens, especially in  these massive quantities, only make claims well before the horror hits ~10 years later. Or maybe you;re just a landman or out of state speculator (sounds like the latter.) Because if you can use the phrase "When it runs," you don't live near a compressor station and have never seen a completed one. No incentive  misrepresent, THERE. Again, who wou;d ie about this? Which side inherently has the incentive? If my incebtive to lie is greater (my life)- then I can't be lying.

And I can give you the names of at least two off the top of my head whose cattle have experienced quite a different fate in Ritchie, as well as another who has frac fluid bubbling up in his yard. 

Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on December 28, 2013 at 9:22am

Those stories have never been corroborated by any official or agency. They are nothing more than stories.

Permalink Reply by Rodney T Hytonen on December 28, 2013 at 1:34am

"Stents?"  Seriously?

Stents save lives.

Carcinogens kill.

Permalink Reply by Rodney T Hytonen on December 27, 2013 at 3:41pm

Unless you've experienced it yourself I can understand that you might not believe me, but I have the same skepticism of an attitude whose incentives dwarf my own - but only were I to be lying.

The invitation stands, as does the reality of my experience and that of at least thousands across the country, and millions across the world. Both numbers are growing. along with the list of the harmed. And soon if they're right, the list of the dead, though at first hospitals will be under a PA-like Federal gag order not to reveal the alarming spike in cancer.

Ask yourself two questions:

1.Why are there so many willing to risk their safety and freedom to protest it?

2. Which faction, pro or con, has the greater incentive to lie - were its point  not to be true. The difference is not trivial.

Permalink Reply by Frankie Jo on December 27, 2013 at 4:39pm

I just said I experienced drilling in WV and saw none of the things you did. Your assumption that your experience is the only experience is patently narrow minded, in the least.

With regard to why people choose to lie... wow, that's a whole other study of human nature.

Do you honestly think you are going to find converts here?

Me thinks thou dost protest too much!

Permalink Reply by Rodney T Hytonen on December 28, 2013 at 12:04am

",,profound disapproval of the entire industry leads me to question your motives as well as your statements."

So if I, or anyone - or what begins to approach EVERYONE (except the powerful few reaping huge profits)- disapproves of the industry,

WE must therefore be wrong?

*honk* thanks for playing, but "begging the question" is a classic and familiar form of faulty logic.

Permalink Reply by MJ on December 27, 2013 at 8:24pm

Rodney,  There are between 2 and 3 thousand of these wells (Horizontal and Unconventional) in North Dakota in and around Williston, not to mention how many thousands of others in Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas and other places that have been producing for years.  Why are these "Horrors" you are experiencing in WV, not being exposed elsewhere?  Solar, Wind and alternatives are great but NOT economical right now.  Obama subsidized (what was it?) $80 B for alternatives.  Where are those companies now?  Maybe large O/G are not looking out for our best interest, but this country would fall apart without the energy currently being supplied by fossil fuels. Economical alternatives will win the race one day, I believe, but not right now.  You obviously have a masterly grasp of the English language, but could you tone it down just a tad so that us "uninformed" dirt farmers can understand what your agenda really is?  Not impressed with the WV Farmer website you advocated by the way - more internet drivel to me (highly subjective and suspect).  IMHO of course and I sincerely hope that if you are right about the things you have said here, we will all come to see this as clearly as you and act accordingly to save our planet.

Permalink Reply by Rodney T Hytonen on December 28, 2013 at 12:19am

They definitely ARE "being experienced elsewhere" - and many have come out (see "the list of the harmed" for some) but the procedure of bribing the harmed always includes a gag order or clause in the settlement.

Drillers remove the "water buffaloes" they first install to shut them up temporarily, and then bribe them so they can afford to leave with their families, and the harmed landowner has no choice but to sign a gag agreement or remain, suffer, and die of thirst - usually not realizing they are already doomed to die of cancer no matter HOW much money they have or where they go.

Those who believe it "highly subjective" need to come here and see for themselves, if they don't believe the THOUSANDS upon thousands of mounting firsthand accounts readily available - as BTW are the "INTERNET propaganda" of energy companies and even our "own" government whom no one believes does not simply serve the highest bidder to the detriment and in this case extreme suffering and deaths of its citizens. This is just the final straw - or solution, however you see it. But do NOT belie the suffering it's causing. Because you are inevitably next.

Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on December 28, 2013 at 9:24am

The list of the harmed and their stories have never been verified by any independent official organization ( EPA, State agency etc.)

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