Wind Power is not Carbon Free

Despite the claim of zero carbon, wind energy produces a lot of carbon dioxide.  Some even use nat gas to spin the blades when the wind is too slow.

http://theenergycollective.com/robertwilson190/344771/can-you-make-...

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Permalink Reply by Frank Walker on November 25, 2014 at 1:29am

Stuff like this from people on our side always wrankles me.  Here is why:

It's important we not accept the other side's premise that "carbon" is a problem in that it causes "global warming".  Straight up, anthropogenic (man caused) global warming is a contrary-to-reality political construct.  It does not exist.  Heck, even (non-anthropogenic) global warming probably does not exist.  I dunno.

Bottom line, though, carbon dioxide does not matter.  Wind turbines are ugly, terrible, asinine, completely unnecessary, and they kill birds.  So they are really bad things.  But they are not bad because they do, or do not, result in release into the atmosphere of carbon dioxide.

Only liberal environmentalist crazies are fixated on carbon dioxide and believe it matters.  Jim, you are much smarter than those fools.

Permalink Reply by Jim Litwinowicz on November 25, 2014 at 3:58am

Frank; the main point was the dishonesty of the treehuggers on the Left.  They 'Gruber' every subject they approach, counting on the 'stupidity of the American voters'  They call solar, wind, and electric vehicles all 'carbon free' when they are not even close to being so.

Here is another 'Gruber'  There are over 15,000 abandoned wind turbines......(Updated to 18,000).....abandoned as soon as their tax breaks expire.   http://www.windtaskforce.org/page/abandoned-eyesores  Many of them are still spinning in the wind, fooling people into thinking they are producing wind energy.  Others are leaking oil, hydraulic fluids, and other toxic chemicals.

By exposing the truth we destroy what credibility they may have. Doing so on multiple counts including all the so-called green energy claims will also destroy the AGW myth.  Even if people buy the AGW theory, they should know they are being played by the Left. Perhaps doing so will result in a more enlightened discussion.  We may even be able to show all their Grubers from climate change to Obamacare to socialism itself and stop all of this in its tracks.

AGW, Obamacare, net neutrality, Common Core and more are all about centralizing power in the hands a few elites. They will Gruber the people endlessly to achieve those goals.  I restricted my post to wind as this site is about nat gas and energy supplies. But exposing their lies and spreading the truth on energy systems is but one step on the ladder to success.

Permalink Reply by Frank Walker on November 25, 2014 at 7:44am

I strongly support use of the word "Gruber" as a verb.  That is truly great stuff and I love it!!!

Also I take your point that the other side lies freely and frequently.  Heck, lies are all they have!

But I have to stick by my stance that carbon simply does not matter one iota.  They are so wrong about that.  What is required is a no holds barred, in their face, full frontal assault, with neither respect nor quarter given.  Only complete jackasses believe that stupid carbon crapola!!  And they are seeking to use it to crucify landowners like us.

Permalink Reply by owner on November 25, 2014 at 8:34am

Perception becomes reality.  Tell a lie enough times and have enough people repeat the lie and people start to believe it.  Then always say that all the experts agree and that its common sense and people will just follow and believe!   You can't question the facts, you're not smarter than the experts and you do want to have common sense!  The debate is over!

Permalink Reply by Richard Droske on December 2, 2014 at 4:07pm

I am a landowner with a gas/oil lease. But bashing other energy sources is unproductive. Perhaps you would like to say what energy sources have lower carbon footprint than wind? Other than solar of course.

I have a carbon footprint as do you, animal farming, especially cattle and hogs has a large one. There is no human activity that has 0.

Permalink Reply by craig on December 4, 2014 at 8:24am

I have yet to find a wind power based study that  includes all the enviromental aspects of the mining of raw materials, the transportation of materials, the production of the various parts and all related manufacturing emissions. When that happens, I'll believe the lower carbon claims.

Permalink Reply by bungalow_steve on December 4, 2014 at 9:53am

Wouldn't they eventually be zero if they used wind power in mining, transportaion and production? I mean that is the whole end game unless I am missing something. Perhaps there are some chemical processes that can't be eliminated that produce carbon, don't know, but they are probably small, or maybe not.

Permalink Reply by Jim Litwinowicz on December 4, 2014 at 1:06pm

Bungalow  I suggest you read the article I linked to and your questions will be answered.

Permalink Reply by bungalow_steve on December 4, 2014 at 2:25pm

It doesn't say what the carbon output per megawatt is. Someone in the comment section indicates wind power makes 100x the energy used to produce it, so does that mean 1/100th of the carbon vs oil power plant? I suppose so.

Permalink Reply by Jim Litwinowicz on December 5, 2014 at 7:18am

You didn't ask about /megawatt carbon output.  You asked  Perhaps there are some chemical processes that can't be eliminated that produce carbon, don't know, but they are probably small, or maybe not.  which the article did cover. 

My point  in the OP is that wind and solar are not carbon free as they are called.  Just another example of how we are all being Grubered every day.

Permalink Reply by bungalow_steve on December 6, 2014 at 12:20pm

I asked if they were probably small or not, if they are small or not depends on the megawatt/carbon output.

Permalink Reply by PuP on December 4, 2014 at 8:08am

I suggest everyone get a copy of "The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels" written by Alex Epstein. It really makes you think about what the Green movement is all about.  Basically he uses great data to show that the more fossil fuels that are used the Greener our Environment gets, Climate related deaths have dropped 98%, Lifespans have increased dramatically, etc.  It really is a good book to read and get a different perspective and really question the Green Movements Agenda! There is a website also shown below.

http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/

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