Mountaineer NGLs Storage, LLC Ethane Storage Monroe County Ohio: Project to Proceed; 3 Times Capacity in Non Binding Commitments

Blue star in first photo indicates ethane storage site.   This would be perhaps within 15 miles of proposed cracker.  Second photo is artist's depiction of what the ethane storage site would look like.   It is superimposed over a google map. That is Ohio St Rt 7 running between the property and the location is perhaps under two miles from Clarington, Ohio

Here is link to Mountaineer's website  http://www.eboxsupport.com/mngls/?page_id=8

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0ym9x5ag7ury2Permalink Reply by 0ym9x5ag7ury2 on May 6, 2016 at 1:48am

I'll be looking for the Permitting and Licensing of these Ethane storage sites to see if an in depth Safety Analysis was performed showing the Public will be safe. This is Oil & Gas, so I doubt anyone has looked beyond the dollar sign.

Until then, has anyone found a similar site on Earth where Ethan is being stored in a populated valley? 

A River Valley where the River is used as a water source for all of the Cities for hundreds of miles downstream?

Bringing jobs to the area by storing Volatile Toxic liquids under pressure in an inhabited valley without a detailed Safety Analysis is nothing less than insanity or possibly greed.

If you check the Ohio Revised Code you'll find a law that makes taking control of stolen goods, even if the company that received them is unaware of the theft, is illegal. NGLs have been stolen from Ohio Landowners by not paying Royalties.

Run this fact plus the lack of Safety Analysis past your lawyers. I think you'll find the money you thought you were going to make won't "Pan Out" in the Ohio Valley.  

Permalink Reply by searcherone on May 6, 2016 at 5:21am

Have you attempted to find out about the permits by calling ODNR?   Or have you contacted your state rep or state senator. . .it is part of their job to answer questions asked by the public.  Or have you tried the Ohio EPA?

Wishing/wanting everything online does not make it all come up in a neat little file when using a search engine.

Permalink Reply by searcherone on May 8, 2016 at 6:40am

Just a thought, perhaps the permitting does not come until the open season for companies to commit is over which by the way is Monday, May 9th.  This is a "nonbinding" commitment so perhaps this project is just coming together and depends upon if the cracker goes in in Belmont County.

0ym9x5ag7ury2Permalink Reply by 0ym9x5ag7ury2 on May 8, 2016 at 10:11am

The Utah NGL Storage permit didn't have a safety study of how the public was protected from a collapse of a salt dome, and as I read, the industry has no experience of how a salt dome might fail in a seismic event.

If I find a Safety Evaluation/Study that guarantees the Citizens of the Ohio Valley will be safe following an earthquake of a magnitude higher than is expected to occur in the Ohio Valley, I'll file an apology.

Mountaineer had better find something else to store, since the NGLs are stolen property and the laws of Ohio will be enforced even if not by the attny gnl.  

Permalink Reply by searcherone on May 17, 2016 at 4:15pm

Monroe County Beacon, page 1, Thursday, May 19, 2016

Yes, I know this is a Thursday date, but copies are available to purchase on newsstand on Tuesday.

"County Courting Natural Gas Liquids Storage Company"

Jason Hamman is the economic development person for Monroe County and here is his quote..

"Hamman said of the project, "The local availability of underground storage will play a critical role in furthering the development of petro-chemical facilities, including the proposed ethane cracker projects."

Notice Hamman referred to more that one cracker project.

0ym9x5ag7ury2Permalink Reply by 0ym9x5ag7ury2 on May 19, 2016 at 12:19am

Someone ask Jason Hamman if he is willing to accept the responsibility for an Environmental and Human disaster in the Ohio Valley. He probably has no idea what is going on or he wouldn't put his name on this Texas Coast Folly. 

While the County is Courting the storage company now, the Ohio Citizens whose stolen NGLs haven't left the state, will be doing some Legal Court ing of our own filing Criminal Charges downtown.

You can't store stolen products in Ohio per current laws. Those who produced our NGLs gave us a document showing how the NGLs were stolen. The document is in the Court in Youngstown and has been shared with a large number of Landowners. The Horse Is Out Of The Barn, you can't hide the truth of how the NGLs have been stolen.

Permalink Reply by searcherone on May 19, 2016 at 4:54am

Ron, I want you to think long and hard about this.   The chances of an environmental disaster have been in place in the Ohio Valley since at least the 1940s when at least two facilities were built in Marshall and Wetzel counties  which produce chemicals based on the underlying salt brine deposit  that is found at about 6200 feet below ground.   That salt deposit extends from the Wheeling area south through at least Monroe County Ohio and I don't know how much beyond that.   And, Ron, the chemicals produced at those facilities are transported by rail all over the country.   Check out the placard numbers on rail cars as well as semis and see what they carry.    The disaster that could come to the Ohio Valley can come to any location at anytime based on transportation.   

Since I live in that area I appreciate your concern for my safety, but the risks have been in place at least 75 years.   And risk and disaster can happen anywhere at anytime.  We humans just don't want to acknowledge that fact.  There just isn't a guarantee that nothing bad will happen to us before we depart this world.

Mike MurphyPermalink Reply by Mike Murphy on May 19, 2016 at 5:14am
0ym9x5ag7ury2Permalink Reply by 0ym9x5ag7ury2 on May 20, 2016 at 10:14am

If someone stores Ohio's stolen NGLs we'll use the law to recover it and indict those who have take stolen property even if they don't know the NGLs were stolen. That's the law. Follow it or suffer the consequences.

Evidence provided by Chesapeake Energy Revenue Department as shown in the Hope Christian Fellowship vs Chesapeake Complaint.

Read it and Weep, you can't make money off of our NGLs unless you leave the state. That's a Federal Offense, moving stolen property across state lines. 

High Pressure Ethane, if released by a seismic event would be worse than any chemical currently stored in the valley. The idea that it's OK to risk the public by storing Ethane since other dangerous chemicals are already stored in the valley doesn't give a company the right to take risks without a Safety Analysis.

Public Officials down the river will need to sell something else to make money on the side, this idea won't be a money maker. 

Permalink Reply by searcherone on May 20, 2016 at 11:59am

Ron, a very good grape on the vine says that the company approached county who was entirely unaware of it and I laughed and said perhaps they should read GMS.

Several weeks ago I posted a link to watch an hour's presentation on Channel 7 WTRF in which four suits talked about development in the Ohio Valley. One of their points was that the geology was being looked at in the region for ethane storage.  I am going back and rewatch that presentation and see what development point I missed.  Also three or four years ago on a Magnum Hunter presentation slide was the name PTT Global and the word cracker.   All this is just to say plans have been made long ago for what the Ohio Valley and southeast Ohio is going to become.   

Also in case you haven't noticed most of the cases about oil and gas in Ohio are not being decided in favor or land or royalty owners.

And to your question about permitting I asked another grape last night with some insight that replied that since the site had been permitted as a coal mine before  there might be a possibility that a permit would not be necessary.  Perhaps that is a question you need to be asking about.  Strange those four suits spoke of development on brownfield sites.    Lots of pieces in this oil and gas puzzle Ron and time will tell it all.

0ym9x5ag7ury2Permalink Reply by 0ym9x5ag7ury2 on May 23, 2016 at 3:23am

These company's that want to build facilities that will damage the environment will "influence" elected officials in order to have their way with the locals.

I saw this in GA when a Waste Incinerator company wanted to build a hazardous waste incinerator in Burke County GA in 1990. The process was being used in non-populated desert areas out west, but wanted to move into the east. Those elected officials of the County admitted that they were being offered deals, but declined in order to protect the water Aquifer that runs from the Savanah River to Atlanta.

I moved to Ohio, and here came WTI with their waste incinerator. It was put on the edge of the state without regard for PA, WV, and East Liverpool Citizens. Does anyone know where the elected officials that approved this deal are now living. I'm betting it's not in East Liverpool. Pittsburgh was concerned about the Waste Incinerator, but it was determined the pollution would be diluted out of the air before it reached Pittsburgh.

How far back do these plans go?

Maybe the planners forgot to ask what the People want, but that's become the norm since 911. It's time we speak up.

Don't ask me for permission, since I'll be using the laws to stop this planned development, even if the people don't have a say.

Permalink Reply by colt on May 21, 2016 at 7:04pm
Ron I hope you get ur 15% after ur lawer collects his 85% & this will all b over with.. Good luck colt!

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